Bribe Estarra

Edit: Alternatively, RP as one in Hallifax!

Best furrikin ever.

I sincerely hope that was a joke.

I'm pretty sure it is. I'm sure they're going to go with Stealth with Ackleberry.

Despite Ameryth's reputation, I'm not generally a snuggler. Xaakin doesn't count. I just really don't want a Glomberry.

It won't be Glomberry. It is entirely possible to be tough and hardline without being krazy conquistadors in a police state. I'm thinking that it will be very community-minded though.

What do you mean Xaakin doesn't count? <.< What's my Luci gotta do with this?

A lot of people treat it like a snuggler/nazi dichotomy, then say they're not being nazis and call that the middle ground. Don't count on it.

I'm totally fine with snugglers. I snuggle. I just don't do it at the nexus, I'm not an idiot over CT, and I readily contribute to the commune (or I like to think I do, at least).

Even if you're cute, NO MERCY!!!

L-O-V-E Jojobo, would jump there in a heartbeat. Also why is no one talking about Jojobo? hmm?!? only Glomberry? for shame.

I would think Jojobo to be about "the Hunt" and "Only the strong survive in the jungle". Also a VERY interesting thing to note is that in the histories, jojobo wasnt part of the "basin civilzation" heck I dont even think it was known. Jojobo is also not part of the same base cultural way the other 3 communes work since they mention how the wiccans of the BASIN forests found the fae and healed them and the BASIN druids helped the forest blah blah blah. They later go on to say that THREE and I repeat THREE great trees were raised, one in Ackle, one in Glom and one in Seren. So yeah Jojobo culture can be TOTALLY different in how they work from the other 3 communes. Not to mention that they are a jungle while the other 3 are forests.

But yeah im just blabbing on now. But I could see Jojobo having maybe sun pyramids (in the mayan style), with perhaps those that pray up to father sun named "High priestesses of the Way" and looked at like the seers to the leader. The Lion Druids could be the great warriors to them, using fang and claw. etc. The people there could probably use Spears and Bow and their warrior guild called something like "The Amazons (females only or you become an eunuch)". The flora and fauna there could be wild boars, lions, zebras, posionous mushrooms etc.

Jojobo would rock for sure

The fact that a Jojobo commune is not mentioned at all seems to me pretty compelling evidence that it's not happening. In fact, I thought Jojobo was the Skarch? Didn't the Soulless destroy it during the Elder Wars?

No, Jojobo is outside the Basin and still alive. If you do the Tolborolla quest, I believe Lake refers to it. And I think its also where we got Hunting/Tracking/Ecology from--an aslaran druid from the jungle brought it over the mountains.

There have been hints being dropped since the beginning of the game, though. Within the first few months, someone pointed out the symmetry of Etherwilde versus Etherglom, and noted that the structure of Faethorn would fit an Etherberry only by having an opposition to it, which Auseklis pointed out was a very keen insight. Many of the Elder Wars have built up little by little more about Jojobo, including explicit references to it having been a forest (albeit a rainforest) and suggestions it was considered a parallel with the others we now know as communes.

On the other hand, Estarra has also been rather more amused by the idea of a Skarch commune (with Mother Cactus as its nexus), ever since it first came up as a joke years ago, than might be warranted. And the Elder Wars speak of Skarich as well.

She also mentioned in the most recent video about how Ackelberry's foil would involve Father Sun. There's an obvious connection between sun and desert. However, at the same time, there's a historical connection between Sun and Jojobo, established in the Book of Aslarn.

Some have speculated that maybe Skarch is where Jojobo used to be, but the Elder Wars contradicted that by referring to Jojobo and Skarich separately.

There's also a fairly firm connection between Skarch and the dracnari and their enemies, and to Dairuchi, which links it to the history of Gaudiguch and Hallifax, which in turn suggest it's unlikely it would end up being tightly linked to a commune.

Finally, the prohibition against chocolate, which has been hewn to firmly even when Estarra was put under a lot of pressure, suggests there are plans for chocolate and thus jungles and thus Jojobo, the same way the firm refusal to provide tea was demonstration of the plans for brewmeistery.

All in all, while we have nothing conclusive pointing either way, Jojobo seems to be the far more likely possibility.

The brewmeisters of JoJobo will make various flavors of chocolate milk instead of tea.

Can anyone point me to the specific pieces of literature as regards both of these communes?

I obviously need to re-read the histories on the website, but I have no recollection of some of this stuff at -all-

I suggest you read the Taint Wars section.

Well... jungle but same difference.



Eeh, if we expect that there is going to be a fourth commune to balance out ackleberry then Skarch is probably the last place I would expect. The elder books (Clangorum) mention that the maeve consciousness was created to protect the forests and that this was just after the destruction of Sakarich. So if Skarch actually had two spirits bound to it then it means that the elders created a second maeve to protect... a wasteland, tbh I'd expect to see a marine Maeve first. That might even fit in slightly with the reasoning for, err "forest" Maeve.

Either way, the awakened spirit of Skarch probably wouldn't be sun even if Jojobo never came out cause he's part of the jungle.



Clangorum and Elfenehoala deal with the creation of the Maeve which also includes mentions (some?) of the forests it was created to protect. Serynwodenhillirim, Glorianalefehlora, Ackeleheliorna and Jojoba (possibly typo'd, but that's the jungle Elfenehoala refers to four times)

Thanks. I spent a fair bit of time reading all the histories available on the website... but that was well over a year ago.