Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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This just made me giggle like an idiot.

Lol.

First off, things like this happen every day. Reading this doesn't change anything in the game. It's not relevant anymore, because it's over. Secondly, I wasn't trying to be an ass in-game. If you're Tsumadine, and you're butthurt because you thought as a first rank citymember you should be able to ignore when a sixth ranked citymember gives you an order, that's your own fault for ignoring rp. Not only did I badly outrank you in the city, I -drastically- outranked you in the order, which this has to do with. Pulling rank when a serf, a peasant, an expendable piece of flesh decides to scowl at you? That's part of Magnagora's RP. That's not being an ass. Don't like it? Move to Celest.

Thirdly, if you're Tsumadine or not, there's nothing in this log that would change your life anyway. I made sure to cut out the nasty things we were saying about Tsumadine in clans, the snickering and so on. Happy now?

I lol'd. You are an ass shady.

But he is right tho. This log is not a life changing, world shattering event. It simply something that if anything you'd hear in passing and nothing more which in turn is what several of the others logs are. Sooo it makes no sense to feel that this should've wait x amount of time before being posted.

In a way, posting cool RP logs kind of serves as adverting for the guild/org. Sort of a "Look at the awesomesauce flowing in the streets of Magnagora! Don't you want to play here?"

But, most importantly, IMO, they're fun to read.

Exactly.

Part of it is that due to the accelerated nature of time in game, if you don't log in for a couple of days, as far as IC information goes, it'd be like you disappeared for 3 out of every 4 years or something. I mean, I try to log in somewhat regularly, but it's not -that- uncommon for me to miss three or four days, or even a week or more at times. That'd make it difficult to do any kind of rp at all. There has to be some measure of assumed 'fill in the space' going on.

That having been said, some things may have become rumors, but others things are more secretive.

I guess what I'm saying is I can see some blurring of the IC/OOC line in that way, but personally I try to keep it to what I read in newsposts, org help files, and etc.

@SHADDUS

Nope, not Tsumadine. I play Alger, I just forgot my forum password and can't seem to retrieve it.

Now why this ~may~ confuse me is because as Alger I hear a fair amount of complaints everyday in-game. Now in the case of me hearing about this in-game, I don't want there to be overlaps on the perspectives that I've heard because I have ooc knowledge of a log of what really happened.

Also it would have not been over and done with because there can be repercussions on what you did based on how we run our guild. Like for example, Alger can frown upon it because he firmly believes in the hierarchy of the guild. Meaning you have no place in disciplining our troopers in such a manner because we're the commanding officers not you. In a sense Tsumadine is our slave not yours. (It's like the difference in army outfits, they all have their respective jurisdictions and don't believe in an overlap of authority.) Of course it's understood that there are other factors in there that makes it wishy-washy like order and Ruiku being there and letting you do all that but it's just an example of how it could have been seen. Now, instead of me acting on it in-game I will most likely stay away from it since I know too much of it ooc, even though there were events today that happened that coincides with that log.

As for you being defensive about you being an ass and saying all that. I don't know... I really couldn't care any less if you're an ass in game or not on an ooc level. Though the comment of you acting an ass in-game is just saying that it looked like you were trying to be. I didn't say it wasn't what you were supposed to be doing, as you said, that's RP of Magnagora. So really... it's kind of weird that you're saying you weren't trying to be an ass. I mean if not... then what do you call that? Trying to RP being nice? :S

@GENERAL

I like reading logs too. As a matter of fact I have a big archive of it somewhere from all the games I've played. Yes, it can entice people to join a certain part of the game as well. It's just my opinion that things like this is best saved until events cool down so that it doesn't hinder other players ability to separate ooc and ic knowledge.

I will emphasize on the "opinion" part as it was said in Shaddus' post that this happens all the time. Pointing to previous posts. I know it does, I'm just saying what I think about it. You don't agree then you don't. Not stopping you; just giving a perspective on it incase you are inclined to agree.

If you can't separate IC and OOC then that is your own fault. -YOU- should not read the log, the person posting isn't at fault for your inability to do this. And I say "you" as in a general "you" not you Skz. That is all on the person themselves not anyone else, simply as that.


And Shaddus didn't discipline Tsumadine based on the dealings with Haiden, per se, he was disciplining her based on her actions and words towards him. However, the Haiden incident was tied into this. They were simply two problems that happen to have dealings, in a way, with each other. Tsumadine scowling and telling Shaddus (her superior in the City) that she was displeased with him is unacceptable moreso because the Haiden/Shaddus thing was between...hmm Haiden and Shaddus. Let's just say Tsumadine stuck her nose in when she shouldn't have, she acted out of line, and Shaddus reprimanded her according to how he felt she should be.

Not going to comment on the RP, that wasn't the point. I'm not really sure why we're justifying the RP... the point was that plots can be developed on more if allowed to.

But for ooc and ic separation. I don't think I've met anybody (even the best RPers I know in strict RP muds) who are able to completely separate OOC knowledge when there's a lapse. Especially when they're doing/handling a lot of things. I know in enforced RP muds when I know something, there are certain circumstances where it's very probable that I'll slip up.

One such instance is when you have to go impromptu so you have to think fast. So you're prone to slipping if you have OOC knowledge. It's happened before and like a second later I'd be like... damn... now can't erase that. Another is if you're handling a lot of things, like in one Mud I played I was constantly juggling around 6 major plots at a time. Keeping track of what you character knows and doesn't know can become tedious. I had a 70 page biography for it, since it was requested by admin so they can keep up as well.

The category of who can handle OOC knowledge is practically non-existent when it comes to that. Actually I have yet to meet people in Lusternia who separate IC and OOC stuff very clearly. To the extent that OOC knowledge and feelings that are carried over from IC events is actually the norm. I've even encountered people who really got pissed at me for things I did ingame.

Take Shaddus for example. Ingame events but just the mere fact that he thought I was Tsumadine already caused him to make a defensive OOC post on the justifications of his RP when what I said had actually very little to do with his RP. I just said that I see posting logs of current events as bad form (an OOC comment for an OOC action.) He stated that he wanted to get opinions if he was an ass or not in-game and I say I think he's not an ass irl for trying to be an ass in-game (which is the norm in Mag). Seemed to rile up some snide side comments with the writting of "butthurt" and "happy now". It really does seem like there's a carry over especially where the clan comment comes in since some of these clans tend to be very OOC. Not bashing him(sorry Shaddus for using you as an example, just easier to pull reference points on you on this thread), but see it's an example of what I find is actually a norm. I think part of the reason for that is actually the environment which includes the merger of IC and OOC.

The thing is I really want to do away with the OOC hate. You'd be suprised in other games even if it's permadeath, people can be very convincing bastards, bitches and idiots yet they actually get praised for being able to pull it off. The value comes from the interaction and being able to experience it, even if you were on the sharp end of the sword. In order to achieve that though you need to have a certain maturity in the playerbase and that doesn't happen on it's own. There also needs to be an environment that caters to developing that maturity.

Anyway I think I've already repeated some of these points throughout this thread and I'm starting to become a broken record. So I'll probably end that there.

forum jacking and language please.

and remember that there is a difference between other games, and Lusternia. And as for ooc/ic, you can completely separate it, if you find a place to tell that secret to.

But yeah, Shaddus, good post, thoroughly enjoyed it. And next time brandish a rope or a girdle to keep the insolent mouth still

Anywho, I'd say you've never probed around and found all the AWESOME histories on the Lusternia website? How would you justify that?

And the answer to that question is the fun of it.

For example, it's very easy to say that while your character was gone for three or four months, he was knee-deep in literature, reading up on the histories, etc.

With Shaddus' whole shpeel of awesome words that make me wanna do bad, durty things to the Megalith, it's even more fun, because it happened not too long ago. It's very easily justifiable with a "Hey... listen to what I heard on the way here!"

Another great example is something you've worked really, really hard on. When I played Achaea, I *loved* writing rituals in the Shamans. Unfortunately, it's some awesome, super-RP that only three or four other people get to enjoy. It's also only three or four other people I get to share that with. For something that took me four or five hours worth of work, I don't like being so limited to whom I'm "allowed" to show it. That's why I would post them other places.

It also goes to say that after reading Shaddus' stuff, Kio's not going to go to the Master Ravenwood and start talking about it with everyone. Why? There's no relevance. To anything. Trust me when I say it's not worth trying to censor other people on their hard-worked RP. Also trust me when I say it's not worth it to censor what you read about in RL. That's because in RL, where everything really matters, Lusternia is a game made for our enjoyment. If I wanted to turn Lusternia into a Job, I'd work hard and apply to become an Ephemeral (or whateverthehell it's called).

Now stop stressing over a game, kiddo. When a relationship in Achaea leaves you in tears IRL, it's time to take a break. A long break.

P.S. Sorry for the superpersonal thing there. If I ever meet (insert name 1 here) or (insert name 2 here) I'd probably buy them a kitty to make up for some nasty, nasty things.

I was making a reply to this comment:



Tsumadine may be an Ur'guard, but she is also a citizen of Magnagora and make disrespectful comments/gestures towards fellow, high ranking Ur'Guard/citymate but to another higher ranking Citymate (Shaddus). That's basically what I was saying is. Maybe Ur'Guard should discipline her, but Shaddus had a right to as well.

If people are concerned about OOC/IC separation issues, they shouldn't even come to the forums.

QFT

Speak of the devil and he doth appear.

Crap. You again? I thought we napalmed your house.

Alger makes some good points but I'm not sure if anyone who responded understood anything he posted.

Nah. the only thing I read was "blah blah blah, I'm a dirty tramp".

Just kidding. Yeah, I understand his points, I just don't agree with most of them.