I'm sorry I was getting a little worked up and frustrated too, so no worries there mate,


The key, from what I found is just to try and try again, I've done ridiculous things before and some times it gets me killed and other times it's a rousing success. I don't like fighting in choke, I only choke if it's a situation that favors me(such as this log shows) because it backfires far too easily for my liking.

Also, to Iasmos, while Shuy worded it poorly, I think Nienla was on the right track with someone not being choked triggering the third person choke message and announcing it.

I do think it is kind if ridiculous to argue that something is not overpowered by saying it is avoidable if you cure perfectly and time your actions well while in the choke. Personally, I think perfect fifth and choke stacked together are ridiculous especially given its use with deathsongs. Perhaps one solution would be to have deathsongs (which require movement) stopped as easily as decapitate (which doesn't require movement and can be thrown off by web or vines).

On a side note, I do think choke still needs some tweaks. I don't know how easy it would be to do, but perhaps limit choke's effects. I don't see why choke or any aeon for that matter should slow your use of communication. Obviously, a tweak that choke didn't slow communications wouldn't really nerf the ability that much, but then again it wouldn't solve the problem of choke being so strong.

Another thing that has always seemed pretty strong but rarely discussed is the fact that releasing shadows supposedly eliminates regen for all in the room except Crow or Night folk. That always seemed to me to be a little strong.

They got rid of the no-regen effect a long time ago, actually.

As Zarquan said, that was removed. And I'm fine if you want to make Choke not effect certain things like communication, but I really don't think Choke is as powerful as you make it out to be. I do just fine in it.

Deathsong is stopped by eating earwort, which is actually easier than webbing.


Edit: don't want to get into an argument about slitlocks etc stopping eating, which would stop earwort and webbing, but I think we can agree it's easier to prevent someone from webbing than it is to stop them from eating earwort

So earwort will completely cut off the deathsong? I thought it was you had to have truehearing actually up at the next stage of the deathsong.

You're thinking right, it has to be up when the tick hits, but in a bard/warrior situation, unless the warrior is using ibululu(which in choke, is sketchy to use, unless pre-envenomed) the bard has to stop deathsong to blanknote again.

Didn't they give scourge the ability to strip deafness along with blinding, so that shadowdancers can bypass it for barghast to hit? Or did I hear that wrong, or are warriors somehow not able to do that?

It does.

I forgot about that

I'd be more willing to discuss things like this if your points was more objective than a biased I have to face this combo and it kills me. But it looks like things have calmed down.

During a lot of the whining, what it really sounded like was, me and my partner can't kill Sidd fast enough cause he's a warrior with Night and we have these skills and they have these. You're kind of just out of luck with whatever partner you have. Sometimes you just don't have the right partner for the goal you want to accomplish like in this instance.

Really, the only problem was that your strategy was off. your goal was kill the choker before their partner kills you. Well if you can handle choke curing okay, but you can't handle the timed insta than your strategy should be stop the timed instant kill. Just remember when bards are deathsonging they can't heal unless they break it. There's several ways to stop it which you can ask if you don't already know. So if a bard isn't healing, then the monk should be going all out on the bard. We do call it getting monked for a reason.

Tactics will always be your friend. don't forget stagtotem is always nice, obviously it's a choice between love potion and stagtotem+ancestral curse. but that's yours call. If it's a long fight and there's no wyrd for shield song, I'd say go with stag totem/curse. if there's wyrd in the room stick to love potion since passive shielding is sweet.

Alternatively, join Magnagora and ask Ceren for his system.

This.

I know I said I was done with the thread for today, but it caught my eye again.

I keep hearing great things about Ceren's system and how superior it is in choke. Would anyone who uses it be willing to share (either publicly or just in an IM) a first-person view of how that system handles in a situation similar to the one I posted about here?

Maybe it's an impertinent request, and I apologize to Ceren if he feels I'd be poaching on his IP or anything... worth a shot, though.

So, that's a no then. Thanks for nothing.

Ceren won't sell his system to just anyone. Just letting you guys know.

I should ask him about it again sometime, though.

rumor has it, he only sells it to people who live in the same timezone as he does. If you live in the same state your chances are +++

Even if you had it, though, it will only really help you 1v1. And even then, unless you can win the passives war against your opponent, it would be a uphill battle.

For the record, I wasn't asking for the code, just for a log from that point of view in a similar situation. I want to see this superior curing, dammit!

Huge chunks of old school Glomdoring learned to deal with choke in group vs. group situations. Most of us just manualled it. It might not be an ideal solution, but it's good enough.

That said, I think you and Chalce did fine there. It wasn't the smash-face that Ruiku got. You escaped when they tried to use choke as a crutch. You lost when they put you behind in curing first. Jerik died without choke, then you were 1v2 against two people who could probably beat you 1v1...and you still got out of choke three times, one of them with two severed tendons through perfect fifth. You might have lost, but I'd be darn proud of my performance if I were you.