Ooh, theorycrafting.

I think part of the reason why timequake isn't very viable is because there's no way to reasonably stop people from curing timewarp. At least with Paradigmatics, command cancelation via badluck, stupidity, insanity, jinx, etc. make it more possible as opposed to Aeonics, which has...aeon.

Though yes, shatterplex certainly helps build timewarps for guardians, what with their 3 forms of carcer and whatever, but where does that leave warriors? Celest and Mag's tertiary instakills are still more or less doable by warriors as well, but I can't really see that happening for Gaudi/Halli.

P.S. If you want to help build timewarps easier, have rubies do horehound afflictions instead of damage.

My question is how exactly do shield runes work for Gauntlets?

Since they have to WEAR them and not wield them, can they even use them as a shield? Plus, since they only have to wear them does that mean they can wear one and wield a regular shield and ignore the TrueShield malus of not getting any advantage when wielding two shields.

Plus, how would the TrueShield mechanic know which limb to proc on?

This.

If we're being fair, I've only been a Shadowdancer for like two months now. The rest of it was druid until the demesne changes.

We're never being fair.

Fairness is over-rated, I tell you. Just ask my mother! Life is never fair.

I was hoping Estarra would answer on Envoys earlier as I was going to ask this very question. So far gauntlets are classed as weapons but they don't parry, because they are not wielded. So I have no idea how a shield rune would work or if it will be looked into and I was trying to find this out before my guild ran out buying shield runes for their gauntlets (of which I know at least 3 people myself included were planning to do)

sounds like shield rune should not work out. Which is a plus because there's a much cheaper rune (enchantment rune) that should work in theory with something that is worn like gauntlets. then you can just buy a shield rune for something else or like some other classes weapon to help go along with skillflexing or if you're just not satisfied with greatshield stats.

All cosmic guardian artifact runes should work fine with gauntlets, tmk. If there's issues with it (ie not behaving like a shield with the shield rune), those'll need to be fixed.

Elsewise they have nothing to attach said runes to.

I'm pretty sure it behaves exactly like a shield and that is the problem. (shields need to be wielded to work)

It's just that the way gauntlets are designed to be worned, it makes certain runes useless to put them on the gauntlets i.e. shield rune and rune of gripping. No reason to put the gripping rune on something that is worn. If they want the shield stats, you'll have to put the shield runes on something you wield.

Also, if it is decided that the the shield rune be allowed to work with the gauntlets even though it is worn as opposed to wielded, I think it is only fair that you make athames, staffs, symbols, and cudgels all worn instead of wielded. Alternatively, give everyone who has a shield rune for those items a rune of gripping because that's what was mechanically given to gauntlets, which is a pretty nice thing in and of itself. Of course, this is only if the shield rune mechanics are changed to work with something that can be worn.

So your solution is "quit illuminati, join guild with something that can be shieldruned, quit guild, rejoin illuminati"

That doesn't sound like a good plan to me.

What about things like TrueShield. Which arm will it apply itself to and can't they just equip two shields to avoid the TrueShield malus?

Idea: circumvent all these issues by allowing shield/gripping runes to be attached to forging daggers.

Hell I would be happy with another 10 power vanity skill that gave us some item that was meant for nothing other than RP and artifact runing. A cultist dagger or something

well, alternatively I'd say get a normal shield and allow for shield runes to be attached to those making them 52/52 stats.

Vanity skill would probably work as well. I also would mind a free rune of gripping.

Could code it that wielding the gauntlets make them 'appear' you're wielding them on one hand.

Kalin is here, shrouded. He is wielding the claws of a Gauntlet of Gnosis in his right hand.

I'm sure Roark and Estarra will come to some decision that will be quite fine on its own.

Erm...

What does that mean, is the idea so good you'd have to be drunk not to use it?

I was serious though, if all rubies did was give health leech, then it'd be cool. You can even make a case for aurics since the guardians have all these mana and ego drain skills yet no reason for them. Giving them aurics means those skills have a use because it will also take their health. It's not like they do a lot of damage to make you choose between mana, health, or ego anyway.

If nothing else, I do have to agree that garnet and opal were not thought all the way through. I'm not so sure about crystal soulless rubs afflicting, though.