Shamarah2010-07-08 23:02:19
I'm not really a fan of going this sonic screwdriver route, I actually like the wands. If you want to implement a path system, why not just make different gems correspond with different paths?
Nienla2010-07-08 23:10:40
QUOTE (Demetrios @ Jul 8 2010, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's "nontraditional" ideas and there's "why are we even doing this" ideas, and I think this discussion has boarded that second boat and set out at flank speed. Just my opinion of course.
But then again, I thought the basic presentation of the Researchers was cool as it was, understanding of course that something so new is going to be followed by a barrage of tweaks, rebalances, etc.
If having a swiss army knife of piezoelectric can openers shooting out your eyes or wherever we're at right now is the key to filling in some desperately needed RP and flavor gaps, I guess I wasn't really after the same things others might have been, guildwise.
But then again, I thought the basic presentation of the Researchers was cool as it was, understanding of course that something so new is going to be followed by a barrage of tweaks, rebalances, etc.
If having a swiss army knife of piezoelectric can openers shooting out your eyes or wherever we're at right now is the key to filling in some desperately needed RP and flavor gaps, I guess I wasn't really after the same things others might have been, guildwise.
I LIKE BLUE
Though on a more serious note, to each their own.
Estarra2010-07-08 23:12:50
QUOTE (Taraj @ Jul 8 2010, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What do you guys think of the "paths" representing some major division in the scientific thought of the institute. Perhaps the model which they use to view physical/magical phenomena could be this difference-- Something like (I'm not married to the names),
Vibrational theory - View the world as a result of different vibrational modes and intensities resulting from slight ripples in space-time. Tend to be "big-picture" people, as any change can result in larger disturbances. (Primarily Leaders)
Field theory - View existence in terms of conflicting force fields, containing various charges and intensities. Tend to be more confrontational, viewing undesirable occurrences as a result of unregulated fields. (Primarily fighters)
Particle theory - All matter is the result of small particles, and the interaction between the particles gives rise to all phenomena. Tend to micromanage, continuously seeking to understand and correct all matters. (Primarily doctors)
Fluid theory - The presence and intermixing of various aetheric fluids give the illusion of all phenomena we observe. Tend to be arbitrators, always seeking to ensure laminar flow of existence. (Primarily Ambassadors)
State theory - Strip all sensory shortcuts from their worldview, leaving only the pure data -- view things in objective terms, simply seeing the state of a thing before and after events occur. (Primarily Researchers)
Each of these could be tied to the "tool" they use (I'm not clever enough to think of any, at the moment). I think these theories give a bit more RP leeway, while staying in purely scientific territory.
Vibrational theory - View the world as a result of different vibrational modes and intensities resulting from slight ripples in space-time. Tend to be "big-picture" people, as any change can result in larger disturbances. (Primarily Leaders)
Field theory - View existence in terms of conflicting force fields, containing various charges and intensities. Tend to be more confrontational, viewing undesirable occurrences as a result of unregulated fields. (Primarily fighters)
Particle theory - All matter is the result of small particles, and the interaction between the particles gives rise to all phenomena. Tend to micromanage, continuously seeking to understand and correct all matters. (Primarily doctors)
Fluid theory - The presence and intermixing of various aetheric fluids give the illusion of all phenomena we observe. Tend to be arbitrators, always seeking to ensure laminar flow of existence. (Primarily Ambassadors)
State theory - Strip all sensory shortcuts from their worldview, leaving only the pure data -- view things in objective terms, simply seeing the state of a thing before and after events occur. (Primarily Researchers)
Each of these could be tied to the "tool" they use (I'm not clever enough to think of any, at the moment). I think these theories give a bit more RP leeway, while staying in purely scientific territory.
I'd like to have 6 paths. A lot of this makes no sense to me, such as why particle theory relates to doctors and fluid theory relates to ambassadors(!). I prefer my idea of relating each branch to different energies and I don't think it really necessarily makes sense to divide among fighter/doctors/ambassadors/researchers.
Estarra2010-07-08 23:13:45
QUOTE (Shamarah @ Jul 8 2010, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not really a fan of going this sonic screwdriver route, I actually like the wands. If you want to implement a path system, why not just make different gems correspond with different paths?
Because I like the tools and I do not think it makes sense to have each gem be a different 'path'. (Unless you want to come up with 12 paths and suggest them.)
Nienla2010-07-08 23:14:59
QUOTE (Estarra @ Jul 8 2010, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because I like the tools and I do not think it makes sense to have each gem be a different 'path'. (Unless you want to come up with 12 paths and suggest them.)
Yeah. Besides, it doesn't matter if the paths are split. Fighters will always go with which path is better, so it doesn't really matter to split them up between fighters, "doctors", and so forth.
Take Celestines for example. Raziela is the Holy Supernal of hugs, rainbows, patron of all snugglers everywhere. However, 90% of Celestine fighters will deepbond with her because of the ability to cast Vapors on Symbol. Plus the fact that Raziela didn't die very much even before smobs were made impossible.
Ytran2010-07-08 23:20:20
To be fair, it doesn't make sense to have sets of tools arbitrarily assigned to arbitrarily decided paths in the Institute, in my opinion. I can maybe understand the desire to have something less stereotypically "magical" than a wand, but anything beyond that starts messing with the feel of the guild in a way that is detrimental to its atmosphere.
Any "paths" or "schools of thought" or what-have-you is really something that should be left un-hardcoded and up to the guild leadership in its entirety.
EDIT: If there is a desire to allow different wand effects (which I also see as unnecessary), allow that specialization based upon the gem it's constructed out of (undesirable, since the wand type already affects the charges on same-type gems) or just have a way to select it once on a given wand, possibly on creation.
Any "paths" or "schools of thought" or what-have-you is really something that should be left un-hardcoded and up to the guild leadership in its entirety.
EDIT: If there is a desire to allow different wand effects (which I also see as unnecessary), allow that specialization based upon the gem it's constructed out of (undesirable, since the wand type already affects the charges on same-type gems) or just have a way to select it once on a given wand, possibly on creation.
Aicuthi2010-07-08 23:52:43
QUOTE (Estarra @ Jul 8 2010, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
- Sonic - My least favorite really. Yes, I love the sonic screwdriver as an homage to Dr. Who but really sonic isn't a big theme with the Institute. Can we think of something else?
Augural Wand. lol.
Estarra2010-07-08 23:54:21
Okay, I know some people like this idea and some people don't but let's just assume we are going to go with 6 different tools relating to 6 different energies (probably a misnomer to call them paths). What would the energies be?
How about:
How about:
- Arcana - Relating to magical energies. Tool could be wand!
- Aetheric - Relating to energies in the deep aether.
- Temporal - Relating to time.
- Dimensional - Relating to other dimensions.
- Void - Relating to pure negative energy.
- Positronic - Relating to pure positive energy. Can anyone think of an alternate word?
Ayden2010-07-09 00:00:05
QUOTE (Estarra @ Jul 8 2010, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay, I know some people like this idea and some people don't but let's just assume we are going to go with 6 different tools relating to 6 different energies (probably a misnomer to call them paths). What would the energies be?
How about:
How about:
- Arcana - Relating to magical energies. Tool could be wand!
- Aetheric - Relating to energies in the deep aether.
- Temporal - Relating to time.
- Dimensional - Relating to other dimensions.
- Void - Relating to pure negative energy.
- Positronic - Relating to pure positive energy. Can anyone think of an alternate word?
Would you need Positronic energy assuming that all but Void are positive already?
Razenth2010-07-09 00:00:16
Negative/positive energy in the DnD sense, in the emotional sense, or in another sense?
Aicuthi2010-07-09 00:04:04
What about substituting Positronic for Cistronic(pertaining to the structure of genes and DNA) for the medical folk, and encapsule balance of negative/positive energy in one category? Ionic? Atomic?
Unknown2010-07-09 00:05:12
QUOTE (Nienla @ Jul 8 2010, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I LIKE BLUE
Though on a more serious note, to each their own.
Though on a more serious note, to each their own.
So far, the only poster in this thread to actually have cogently observed a well-defined weakness and posited a good fix for it is Geb. And by extension, you and Shamarah/k (or The People Smart Enough Not to Get Swamped in the Maelstrom o' Pointlessness).
I'm not trying to criticize Inc's levels of either intelligence or creativity, as he has amply demonstrated those levels, nor do I mean to squash anyone's youthful enthusiasm. This is not about criticizing any individuals so much as admiring a death spiral.
This thread started with a poorly-defined "complaint" with no real substance and, like some Satanic volleyball game, has been bumped aloft by other people who also have very little idea of what they're complaining about or what they might do to fix it, whatever it is. The "main complaint" morphs at a frequency that would put tri-trans Illuminati to shame, and now, somehow, we've arrived at a Guild Ideology by Power Tool scheme whose inherent absurdity and lack of coherence is apt incarnation of the absurdity and lack of coherence present in this thread's main theme.
I have to say, I am actually really excited to see what comes out the other end after all these ideas have been chewed up and digested, and I expect to see some truly staggering RP to come out of the Institute after all this effort.
(I almost said "tool-centric RP," but I was afraid someone might point me out as an example of "tool-centric RP," and that would be pretty funny, and therefore I can't let anyone have that line.)
Arel2010-07-09 00:06:20
QUOTE (Estarra @ Jul 8 2010, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Positronic - Relating to pure positive energy. Can anyone think of an alternate word?
Instead of positive, does Lusternia have a distinctive word for creation energies? Void could be considered destructive as well as negative, so is there a constuctive/creationist word that would work better?
Estarra2010-07-09 00:09:19
QUOTE (Arel @ Jul 8 2010, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Instead of positive, does Lusternia have a distinctive word for creation energies? Void could be considered destructive as well as negative, so is there a constuctive/creationist word that would work better?
Not really. Maybe Dynaric! But that sounds rather awful.
Ayden2010-07-09 00:10:19
QUOTE (Estarra @ Jul 8 2010, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not really. Maybe Dynaric! But that sounds rather awful.
Yeah, Magnoric would be the antithesis....
Razenth2010-07-09 00:10:49
QUOTE (Demetrios @ Jul 8 2010, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Stuff
Man, it's like you got totally ignored. :|
Unknown2010-07-09 00:11:44
QUOTE (Razenth @ Jul 8 2010, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, it's like you got totally ignored. :|
It's ok. I enjoyed it.
Estarra2010-07-09 00:25:24
I'm thinking:
- Arcana - Relating to magical energies. Tool could be wand!
- Aetheric - Relating to energies in the deep aether.
- Temporal - Relating to time.
- Dimensional - Relating to other dimensions.
- Void - Relating to pure lower, negative energies.
- Domotheon - Relating to pure positive, higher energies.
Aicuthi2010-07-09 00:31:59
QUOTE (Estarra @ Jul 9 2010, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm thinking:
- Arcana - Relating to magical energies. Tool could be wand!
- Aetheric - Relating to energies in the deep aether.
- Temporal - Relating to time.
- Dimensional - Relating to other dimensions.
- Void - Relating to pure lower, negative energies.
- Domotheon - Relating to pure positive, higher energies.
I like it! But isn't there a Domoth of Death? Would that conflict with Void?
Estarra2010-07-09 00:33:46
QUOTE (Aicuthi @ Jul 8 2010, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like it! But isn't there a Domoth of Death? Would that conflict with Void?
Don't think so!
