On a more serious note, Shaddus is an ass to serfs, but he also takes the time to make sure they are taken care of, because Shaddus needs someone to eat someone to grovel at his feet something to keep an eye on. He's nurturing like that. Really.

This is such :censor:.

I love Magnagoran rp, sure, but this is just ridiculous. It doesn't make you cool. It makes you look like an asshat.

For the record, I apologize that I apparently took it wrong.

I thought it was just the general "I don't like being forced to RP," type of thing.

My bad

Completly unrelated, but bring Liok back!

I appreciate all the responses. I truthfully did not expect this to explode into two pages, though that's a very tiny explosion.



I wish it were something so innocuous as all that. I've invited excellent roleplayers to the game because I thought they would enjoy themselves. Every one has played a 'bad guy' with me elsewhere. They were shoe-ins for Magnagora, because it was just their style. Every one made a Mag serf, and every one has been systematically harassed out of playing. I love the Mag you described. I'm very glad that you don't know what I'm talking about, because it means you have apparently not been on the receiving end of this.

The abuse used to serve a purpose. Most of it still does, but it's the outliers that are creating an unwelcome atmosphere. If even one reads this call-out and says, "Wait, maybe I should rethink killing Player X for blinking funny," I'll consider it a job well done.

Doublepost, but Noola's got it.

I'll take the blame for the floor thing and maybe the finger pointing. I don't remember actually threatening to kill someone for pointing a finger, just remarking, "Don't point fingers at your superiors." Afterward, Destridas thwacked me on the head, and I made a joke of it.

My intention was not, in fact, to humiliate anyone with the floor thing. My char was drunk and in a nasty mood, and if anything, he was doing more harm to his name than to anybody else for being drunk in public and acting stupidly. That's how I, as the player, viewed it. Sahm thought that "holding the floor down" was a perfectly logical solution to him falling out of the chair. People don't think well inebriated.

I like to think that Sahm is respected because he's usually cool-headed, well-thought, and encouraging. Sahm tried being the bully once; it backfired.

That being said, I apologize for making the situation uncomfortable and making two people "hold the floor down." (Sahm won't apologize.) I think that you, as the player, have a right to ask other players OOCly to back off. Sahm usually ignores the serfs, and more often than not actually tries to help them. He's only ever killed one person out of anger (a fellow marquis). Next time, tell me. In character or out of.

I appreciate being told when I overstep. That carries over to my char as well. You say that they knew they'd get in trouble if they left or even asked to leave, but no one actually asked. You're right in part that the atmosphere would suggest it, but I doubt most Mags would respond by killing someone if they were asked in a respectable manner. It's when it's not respectable when the death occurs, and there are murder laws in Mag. Believe it or not, the serfs do have rights. Ninjakari specifically state that any problems are to be taken to a Sohei rather dealing with it yourself.

I think it's also important to note that IC actions shouldn't carry over to the OOC level. If they do, then there -is- a problem. Tell the other person that it's actually crossing the line. Magnagora does have asses ICly and OOCly. Rather than getting angry or upset, however, tell someone.



That isn't tolerated. I'm surprised at that one, because usually you see the combatants actually telling the younger ones to not waste their time dying needlessly. But if the level 15's want to do that, no problem. Web spamming is actually -very useful-.


The same. Apparently I fell into the latter category, but that wasn't my intention.

I think a lot of the issues on the young players' end was that they felt like they had no voice. They didn't feel like they had a choice in participating, and they played out of fear of punishment and subsequently felt very badly for it. I actually think your response is one that's going to be very heartening to them, Sahm. No one wants to feel like they're being picked apart and picked on for sake of someone wanting to be a bully, but it sounds like a genuine error in communication.

Even serfs have rights, in theory, but the overwhelming feeling among the ones I interact with is that they don't. There aren't many people a Marquis is accountable to. Thank you, Sahm. I really wish I'd thought to tell them to approach you OOCly.

Newbie and serf here. I've so far actually enjoyed my character's "serf abuse", but then again I received proper compensation for the errands. Heck, I'd call it damn royal, even at circle 75 I wish I'd get that much bashing. Calixa has been treated properly, but that might have something to do with being extremely well-mannered and knowing her place. The few time that she didn't, like addressing a sec by his first name, she got properly pointed to her mistake. Wouldn't want it to be different, really.

This has however raised a question though, both IC and OOC: Serfs are at the bottom of the social system, and even in the higher rankings the rank above you gets to order you about, but on the other hand Magnagora is against mindless following of the established order. I'm seeing a contradiction there, but I can't find an answer, Calixa already turned the library upside down and I've been going over the forums. Can someone help me make sense of that?

Back on topic then, you can perfectly be all badass without griefing novices. The way I see it is that if your character makes other characters vanish into thin air and never being seen again, repeatedly, for no good reason, then you're not doing your city a service. I'm not advocating treating novices a whole lot differently, cause that might ruin their experience as well. Maybe also worth considering that the idiot little serf might overtake you in power at some point and offer some fitting payback.

Nariah, I think you could actually be called an example of how to do it right. I thought it was super-kind of you to take my little newbie self bashing for gold so I could get greatrobes, yet it didn't feel role breaking at all. More like a little nudge in the right direction.

IC hipocrisy?

It has happened in real life history, too.

"Sure sure, ideals and all that... Wow! Privileges! Back to your shacks so you can not become wealthier and more important than I, filthy serfs!"



Take a look at the Feudal Systems of the world, for once.

Take a look at corruption in ANY system or idealogy.

I think it is a rather nice touch, actually.

Simple as that huh? That would explain why there is no actual information on it And indeed a nice touch

Well that is what I -think- at least.

Do not take my word for it.

Interestingly enough, I actually heard about some of these goingson last night when I was talking to my girlfriend on the phone. There are certain things that do, in fact, go over the line.

There is one thing in particular that I heard about that REALLY bothers me (a guild member being forced into mudsex), though I cannot be sure if it's ACTUALLY true.

I hope that it's not true. That crosses all sorts of lines.

EDIT: Now, while I've heard (emphasis here) rumors about mudsex being willingly changed for city/guild favours in other IRE muds, my limited personal experience tells me that none of the 'evil' organizations have ever forced House/Guild members into mudsex before. I'm not even sure how that's possible. If you really wanted to avoid it because you're being prevented from leaving IG (blocked exit or whatever), you could always close whatever app you're using to run the game.

If it is, you can bet your ass that that person will be outcitizened and killed over and over (and hopefully shrubbed).

This.

I have heard of this happening and, without naming names, no, they didn't get outcitizened, killed, or shrubbed. Unfortunate as it may be. However for the most part the people that do such things DO lose all power they have and no one respects them or wants to talk to them ever again. Not justice, but oh well.

Double this.

Did the person tell anyone about it? Cause, that's breaking all sorts of rules IC and OOC.

Well, I'm the Ambassador and on the high end of mid-tier combat, so I'm pretty damn sure I can make it happen.