That series was ruined by the shinji-style whining that came out of renton's three-times too large mouth every time he spoke.

He was a whining prick for 35 episodes, yeah, but that's OK. The rest of the cast was awesome.

Srs footnote: I said it was better because I was under the impression it was.
Instead of strength, I should have probably said 'synergy' or something else, but whatever, it's semantics. Also, the omgfocusspam from badluck is pretty sucky, from what I've seen by fighting in it, and I assumed this'd be compunded in some way by tempinsanity. Also, I assumed that tempinsanity basically had priority because timewarp does, and from what other people were saying, tempinsanity did also (which would explain why people think tempinsanity's getting better results with command denial, since then it would help stick stupidity, so the two effects could be mistaken for another). Not that that particularly matters, anyway, since pennyroyal > horehound, but yeah. If that's not the case, then I need to bug timewarp/tempinsanity to see what the cure priority should be. Can we at least agree that Paradigmatics has more going for it than Aeonics, then? Shuffling out defensive skills for offensive ones might be something to look at, since that's what happened with Aeromancy, and that's what it looks like is going to happen with Harmonics.

Just to be clear, you're admitting here to making envoy reports based on nothing but third-hand accounts and conjecture based on the version of Lusternia spinning around in your head?

We are well aware that aeromancy got its cake and ate it too. While Pyromancy got... oh yeah... made useless.. and now your envoys seek to do the same with Aeonics/Paradigmatics.

To be fair, a lot of the blame there goes to inactive pyromancer envoys, which seems to continue even today, given that their latest report isn't even finalized.

And man, that envoy war is rough, paranoia runs rampant from each side! Though I think the only way to truly experience envoy war paranoia is to be on a side that has access to Night.

Hey, it worked with pyros. They knocked them down to no defense and a second rate offense. And buffed aeros up to have a solid offense and substantial passive curing. Aeros is thriving, and combatants fled pyros.

The difference is, after that bit of fraud, we stopped trusting them. Didn't say anything then, because I think most of us felt that, while pyro needed adjustments, they wouldn't do more that what was needed, despite Ixchilgal and Ceren not being around for the last chunk of it.

Well, misplaced trust. Hopefully the better envoys and admin will see through the farce this time, eh?

Speaking of which, I've seen that suggestion for power adjustments made regarding para abilities. I honestly think they're smarter than to think that makes sense, so they're grossly overstating the case in hopes they can get a "compromise" that is exactly what they wanted in the first place.

Kalin's right. He's nerfing himself in an ordered fashion and with good reason. Envoys that have actually fought with him meaningfully? Guess what? They agree with him. Inky is sitting on an envoy high horse trying to legislate changes to "nerf the other guy". I mean, Inky doesn't fight much that I've seen, neither does Geb lately, and I rarely do. But you know what? I'm not the one trying to ram other people's abilities in to the ground. I'm not sitting in an envoy slot- guild, special, or otherwise. And I don't want to be. But I will defend skills from the sort of fraud that's going on here.

None of this is even touching on the issue of researchers having some very solid defensive synergy. They'd trade out (meaning, keep and consolidate) abilities to improve their offense. Illuminati have better offense but lack the defensive abilities. This was the same philosophical state between pyros and aeros, and we saw how that ended up. Researchers don't need as good offense as illuminati. And if they do? Then Moon needs as good an offense as Night, and every other counterpart pairing should be evened up- and if that is the case, then that should be done for the defensive side of things as well.

We don't need another disingenuous mess like the aero/pyro special report.

Hey I have been trying to maintain the objective (as unbiased as can be, cause no envoy is unbiased) envoy status. I have avoided arms race envoying and nerfing them before they nerf us tactics. I actually take flak from members of my org for not being pushy, persistent, and loud enough to get what other places get through massive thread envoying. Report 433 though... is starting to make me wonder if I should change that attitude though.

Eh, I've always preferred self-nerfing instead of others nerfing your stuff for you. That way, it's more of a controlled burn than a wildfire, metaphorically speaking. So GG.

controlled burns can turn into wildfires too though.. *coughreport433cough*

Heh, yeah, I know. It's pretty painful reading some of the older reports whose last line is 'Type MORE to continue reading. (7% shown)'

*cough*ihatefearauranerfwolfreports*cough*

Edit: Though at the very least, that wall of text on 433 gave you solution 3, which I think is the best solution so far, given it makes your insta more realistic, justifies greywhispers' power cost, and adds a powercost to good old badluck, which seems to satisfy every party involved while not actually changing the overall cost to any significant degree.