Placeus2010-07-15 22:42:16
I still don't understand why we're seeing no grapple release message - it was happening to Vey aswell.
It also seems odd to me that the damage should be more if the target is prone before the form hits. Either I'm wrong and the grapple doesn't count as prone for calculating its own damage, or the 50% bonus is being applied twice - once for prone and once for grapple.
Thul, you are also not exploiting this enough. Kick first for more wounds and use a pinchnerve mod to increase the chance of them being prone before the grapple hits.
But yeah. There's a reason just about every other monk attack has a small base damage.
It also seems odd to me that the damage should be more if the target is prone before the form hits. Either I'm wrong and the grapple doesn't count as prone for calculating its own damage, or the 50% bonus is being applied twice - once for prone and once for grapple.
Thul, you are also not exploiting this enough. Kick first for more wounds and use a pinchnerve mod to increase the chance of them being prone before the grapple hits.
But yeah. There's a reason just about every other monk attack has a small base damage.
Janalon2010-07-15 23:18:28
QUOTE (Placeus @ Jul 15 2010, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still don't understand why we're seeing no grapple release message - it was happening to Vey aswell.
It also seems odd to me that the damage should be more if the target is prone before the form hits. Either I'm wrong and the grapple doesn't count as prone for calculating its own damage, or the 50% bonus is being applied twice - once for prone and once for grapple.
Thul, you are also not exploiting this enough. Kick first for more wounds and use a pinchnerve mod to increase the chance of them being prone before the grapple hits.
But yeah. There's a reason just about every other monk attack has a small base damage.
It also seems odd to me that the damage should be more if the target is prone before the form hits. Either I'm wrong and the grapple doesn't count as prone for calculating its own damage, or the 50% bonus is being applied twice - once for prone and once for grapple.
Thul, you are also not exploiting this enough. Kick first for more wounds and use a pinchnerve mod to increase the chance of them being prone before the grapple hits.
But yeah. There's a reason just about every other monk attack has a small base damage.
And the double pain / kata strength soft to increase wounding and the chance for pinch nerve to proc (if I'm correct in thinking that basic kata afflictions proc more frequently with higher wounds).
OR get a beast/sprongcree a dart to deliver ibululu and hope you can get your choke (with kata strength hard) to hit before your target has a chance to cure.
Placeus2010-07-15 23:47:39
Pinchnerve is wound dependant, yes. I wouldn't use soft as it will decrease damage, but I would use the power mod for a grieftastic +40% to damage and wounding.
Boosting wounds would only really matter for the first attack as you can guarantee they'll be sipping not applying from then on.
Boosting wounds would only really matter for the first attack as you can guarantee they'll be sipping not applying from then on.
Raeri2010-07-16 08:20:52
Found this in the wiki under the Ascendance skillset. Guess it might affect it a bit, in terms of difference between Shuyin and Ixion's damage tests.
QUOTE
Affinity
Domotheos: Nature
Damage Modifier: 5
"Not only did Kiakoda have the power of a vernal god, but she also drew considerable power from, and thus empowered, the forests of Lusternia."
By mastering the nature of the lands, you will find that you take less damage in the terrain type associated with your Nexus of Power. Also, enemy Mages and Druids will find that the lands are empowered to resist their attempts to break melds of that terrain type if you are within the local area, making it a much more difficult process.
Domotheos: Nature
Damage Modifier: 5
"Not only did Kiakoda have the power of a vernal god, but she also drew considerable power from, and thus empowered, the forests of Lusternia."
By mastering the nature of the lands, you will find that you take less damage in the terrain type associated with your Nexus of Power. Also, enemy Mages and Druids will find that the lands are empowered to resist their attempts to break melds of that terrain type if you are within the local area, making it a much more difficult process.
Malarious2010-07-16 10:15:22
QUOTE (Thul @ Jul 15 2010, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For whatever reason, the Gloms I test this on take significantly less damage. I'm not sure what causes this, and probably won't ever because trying to get a damage formula is like pulling teeth. I wasn't exactly aware of how much damage this thing did until Ixion pulled me aside.
So you can blame the upcoming rampage on him.
So you can blame the upcoming rampage on him.
Or we can say the formula is bugged since no other stand alone does that much and this is the NERFED version? As envoy it is now your job to BUG it properly and if they state it is not a mistake have it corrected through report or whatever you call the "we need this now" report.
@Ixion:
His health has nothing to do with it. Thuls attack is not magic based, it doesnt scale to anything.
Janalon2010-07-16 10:48:17
Did a forum search for oothai, and here were the results:
stuff. . . stuff. . . stuff. . .
Full thread here:
http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?show...mp;#entry684321
Perhaps oothai changes were bug, and consequently were never really changed? Only speculation.
And more:
For the thread:
http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=654339
Looks like there things were mentioned one year ago. . . and then nothing. Guess using oothai and choke attacks went out of fashoin for Nekotai monks, otherwise I'm sure we would have heard something in the interim.
QUOTE (krin1 @ Aug 25 2009, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Glad to see it wasn't a nerf especially for the Nekotai.
readnews announce 1373
ANNOUNCE NEWS #1373
Date: 8/26/2009 at 0:01
From: Charune, Lord of the Hunt
To : Everyone
Subj: Monk and Momentum Changes
The major changes to monks and momentum have now been completed!
readnews announce 1373
ANNOUNCE NEWS #1373
Date: 8/26/2009 at 0:01
From: Charune, Lord of the Hunt
To : Everyone
Subj: Monk and Momentum Changes
The major changes to monks and momentum have now been completed!
stuff. . . stuff. . . stuff. . .
QUOTE (krin1 @ Aug 25 2009, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
=== Nekotai ===
o Damage for oothai has been lowered.
o Oothai's cost changed to 350ka.
o Amihai has been lowered to 400ka.
o Amihai will mask poisons it delivers.
o Sprongma will now drop 2 momentum instead of 1 if it delivers severed
spine.
o Angkhai now costs 550ka instead of 500.
o Oriama gives momentum loss when it mangles.
o Oriama will give messages corresponding to it mangling or breaking
things.
o Absorbing venom for Spit will only work when on spit balance.
As always, please report any irregularities or issues with the BUG
command.
Penned by My hand on the 23rd of Roarkian, in the year 243 CE.
o Damage for oothai has been lowered.
o Oothai's cost changed to 350ka.
o Amihai has been lowered to 400ka.
o Amihai will mask poisons it delivers.
o Sprongma will now drop 2 momentum instead of 1 if it delivers severed
spine.
o Angkhai now costs 550ka instead of 500.
o Oriama gives momentum loss when it mangles.
o Oriama will give messages corresponding to it mangling or breaking
things.
o Absorbing venom for Spit will only work when on spit balance.
As always, please report any irregularities or issues with the BUG
command.
Penned by My hand on the 23rd of Roarkian, in the year 243 CE.
Full thread here:
http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?show...mp;#entry684321
Perhaps oothai changes were bug, and consequently were never really changed? Only speculation.
And more:
QUOTE (Esano @ May 6 2009, 04:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You deal 1k to me on every choke grapple.
For the thread:
http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=654339
Looks like there things were mentioned one year ago. . . and then nothing. Guess using oothai and choke attacks went out of fashoin for Nekotai monks, otherwise I'm sure we would have heard something in the interim.
Unknown2010-07-16 12:31:17
QUOTE (Malarious @ Jul 16 2010, 05:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Ixion:
His health has nothing to do with it. Thuls attack is not magic based, it doesnt scale to anything.
His health has nothing to do with it. Thuls attack is not magic based, it doesnt scale to anything.
It does, actually, to some extent. I did more damage to Sidd when he had surge up than when he had of it off, though you might blame that on the kick. But the kick isn't magic either!
Rika2010-07-16 12:37:54
Pretty sure all attacks scale with hp now.
Sylphas2010-07-16 15:13:18
QUOTE (rika @ Jul 16 2010, 08:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty sure all attacks scale with hp now.
If attacks didn't, people with 10k health would be nigh unkillable, since healing does scale.
Felicia2010-07-16 22:52:32
What's the point of having high CON and a high HP total if attacks scale to your HP anyway? Other than for hunting?
Is it only a partial scaling?
Is it only a partial scaling?
Unknown2010-07-16 23:44:25
QUOTE (Felicia @ Jul 16 2010, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's the point of having high CON and a high HP total if attacks scale to your HP anyway? Other than for hunting?
Is it only a partial scaling?
Is it only a partial scaling?
Its only partially scaling. Things that can 1/2 shot you at 2k health aren't going to do that at 8k health.
Sylphas2010-07-17 00:10:18
QUOTE (Felicia @ Jul 16 2010, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's the point of having high CON and a high HP total if attacks scale to your HP anyway? Other than for hunting?
Is it only a partial scaling?
Is it only a partial scaling?
Because the range of possible HP values at demigod is something like 4k to 12k, depending on race, class, and buffs. If attacks didn't scale, you'd either two shot the low end, or never scratch the high end. It's a certain base value plus a percentage to get the best you can of both worlds. Lower health people will take a larger percentage of their total with each attack because the base value of the attack is a larger percentage of their health, but it still hurts higher health people enough to be worthwhile.
Felicia2010-07-17 01:21:01
That's pretty much what I figured, since full scaling would render high CON and HP nigh-useless in combat.
Thanks for confirming.
Thanks for confirming.
Unknown2010-10-07 05:08:15
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECRO!!!
But it's in the spirit of the thread, and you haven't seen anything yet. Check this out:
Which is weird, because it seems to have done vastly different amounts of damage to different people. I think Talan said it did 3600 damage to her. Is pollute's formula still broken?
I was a human, for the record.
But it's in the spirit of the thread, and you haven't seen anything yet. Check this out:
QUOTE
7241h, 6714m, 7866e, 7p, 27499en, 24484w, 1mo exkdp<>-springup
Nirtesha's life is snuffed out by the polluted taint that engulfs her.
Nirtesha has been slain by Fillin.
A reflection of Nirtesha blinks out of existence.
The song that Nirtesha was performing fades away.
The ground convulses and you are no longer able to see through the pitch black clouds
that contaminate the air. The stinking pollution coats your skin, dissolving your flesh
like acid, and you choke upon the foul fumes that eat away at your lungs.
POLLUTE POLLUTE POLLUTE!!
Your magic tome warms as it absorbs damage.
1153h, 6714m, 7866e, 7p, 27499en, 24484w, 1mo exkdp<>-
Nirtesha's life is snuffed out by the polluted taint that engulfs her.
Nirtesha has been slain by Fillin.
A reflection of Nirtesha blinks out of existence.
The song that Nirtesha was performing fades away.
The ground convulses and you are no longer able to see through the pitch black clouds
that contaminate the air. The stinking pollution coats your skin, dissolving your flesh
like acid, and you choke upon the foul fumes that eat away at your lungs.
POLLUTE POLLUTE POLLUTE!!
Your magic tome warms as it absorbs damage.
1153h, 6714m, 7866e, 7p, 27499en, 24484w, 1mo exkdp<>-
Which is weird, because it seems to have done vastly different amounts of damage to different people. I think Talan said it did 3600 damage to her. Is pollute's formula still broken?
I was a human, for the record.
Unknown2010-10-07 05:34:50
More info please?
Without knowing -anything-, it looks like you were missing some key defenses/DMP/armour.
It bothers me when people make arguments without the full picture, or at least as much of the picture they can find.
Without knowing -anything-, it looks like you were missing some key defenses/DMP/armour.
It bothers me when people make arguments without the full picture, or at least as much of the picture they can find.
Malicia2010-10-07 05:45:50
Shall we bring in the sketch artists?
Pollute is pretty good. I don't know its composition anymore. Perhaps someone could share. But yes, even with full defs, it does a nice chunk of damage.
Pollute is pretty good. I don't know its composition anymore. Perhaps someone could share. But yes, even with full defs, it does a nice chunk of damage.
Unknown2010-10-07 05:49:04
QUOTE (Sahmiam Mes'ard @ Oct 7 2010, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
More info please?
Without knowing -anything-, it looks like you were missing some key defenses/DMP/armour.
Without knowing -anything-, it looks like you were missing some key defenses/DMP/armour.
I was fully deffed. Garb and everything. No divine favours, however.
I may or may not have been sensitive, but there's no way sensitivity should account for a 6K damage hit. Most of what was in my buffer had already been eaten up at that point.
Casilu2010-10-07 05:50:44
QUOTE (Vendetta Morendo @ Oct 6 2010, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was fully deffed. Garb and everything. No divine favours, however.
I may or may not have been sensitive, but there's no way sensitivity should account for a 6K damage hit. Most of what was in my buffer had already been eaten up at that point.
I may or may not have been sensitive, but there's no way sensitivity should account for a 6K damage hit. Most of what was in my buffer had already been eaten up at that point.
I got this one from the IRC:
8194h, 6480m, 9468e, 10p, 1mo elrxkdbp (xhspfwb) (+197h)
The ground convulses and you are no longer able to see through the pitch black clouds that contaminate the air. The stinking pollution coats your skin, dissolving your flesh like acid, and you choke upon the foul fumes that eat away at your lungs.
Unknown2010-10-07 06:03:21
QUOTE (casilu @ Oct 7 2010, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With garb and some racial poison resists.
Maybe it is just destroying monks with extreme prejudice.
Casilu2010-10-07 06:25:55
QUOTE (Vendetta Morendo @ Oct 6 2010, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe it is just destroying monks with extreme prejudice.
Might explain the AB:
The most horrific power of the geomancer is to pollute his or her entire demesne with the full blight of the tainted earth, especially at monks. Fissures will open up throughout your demesne and release toxic fumes that will seek out your personal enemies, especially those kata-flinging jackasses, and coat their skin with flesh-stripping poison! You must wield your staff and be at full mana to invoke such a spectacle.
