Why is Tinkering in the broken list?

The only thing I hear Druids (read: a few Druids on the forums) clamoring for is a new tertiary, but the only one I wouldn't take as a Druid is the one-off Dreamweaving because it's so weird and kind of situational.

Why is Tinkering in the broken list?

I lol'd and checked to see if that announce existed.

Many of the items in tinkering are not terribly useful. It's not "broken," but most people agree that it could use some improvements to make it worth having as a trade skill. Tinkering items are very expensive to make (75-125 commodity artisan items), compared to cosmic/elemental spellcraft, either of which are full of essentials, that can be enchanted onto rings (10 commodity items). Tinkering also lacks the abilities to enchant paintings and statues, so communes still have to outsource these things, which are important defenses in villages.

Text wrapping makes me sad. Ah well, this is probably not going to happen. Athletics has way too many good buffs to pass up, especially Surge.

- Try to buff Druidry.
Response: LOLNO. YOU HAVE SAP. TOO POWERFUL. HURR HURR.

- Try to buff Crow for Druids.
Response: Can't do it because it would buff Warriors.

- Try to buff Runes for Druids
Response: Can't do it because it might make Mages too powerful.

- Try to buff Dreamweaving for Druids
Response: Dreamweaving is bugged to hell and has been for the last year, and won't get buffed because of Deepsleep.

All these arguments basically amount to "I want a remake because I don't like my class", which is idiotic. If you don't like the way Druids fight, maybe you shouldn't have gone Druid.

These arguments don't even make sense.



I thought you just said Sap was too weak? If you can't get anyone who isn't a Druid to agree it's too weak, chances are it's not. (Remember Pyromancers trying to defend original amputate?)



Just make it an active skill, and bam, Warriors will never touch it.



What the ? Who says this? Nobody says this, because Runes is godawful for mages and Rad is the only reason any mages ever take it. If you want to buff Runes for Mages then I say go for it.



So get it fixed. Envoy it if you have to.

All these arguments basically amount to "I want a remake because I don't like my class", which is idiotic. If you don't like the way Druids fight, maybe you shouldn't have gone Druid.

I don't see why Rad and doublesling Haegl mean you can't buff runes. Neither one of those contributes to a sap kill. I hate them both, but if you're doing ridiculous mana drains in group combat with a Harbinger, you're more than likely not doing much else.

Actually, people do agree that Sap is weak. The issue is that Envoys is pretty much a warzone and that most envoys not of your org will pretty much reject any attempt you make. Sap is one of those taboo subjects that people will oppose regardless of whether it's underpowered or overpowered.

As far as Runes. People will oppose buffing them simply because they already have Psionics. People will reject Runes buffs on the grounds of Doublesling Haegl and Rad as well

As far as the Dreamweaving issues, we have tried to get it fixed. There are multiple Dreamweaving bugs that are so old, it's over a year and a half old but you wouldn't be able to tell because bugs don't record years.

Viynain, Celina, Krellan and pretty much anyone of warrant that has played a Druid equally agrees that the class is crap (Which is why they don't play the class anymore). It never ceases to amuse me when non-Druids say otherwise. I went Druid because my org needed one, not because I wanted to lolpwn everyone. I would've stayed Shadowdancer if I wanted to do that.

Have you forgotten about swoop already?

Avechna the Avenger bows to you and commences the lesson in DruidRage.

Avechna the Avenger tells you of the e-peen war that is called "Envoy Reports," and how anyone and everyone is always out to nerf your class or make mind-boggling and unnecessary buffs to their own. He coughs and you can vaguely hear the name "Talkan."

Shaking His fist with uncontrolled rage, Avechna the Avenger tells you how Druids have been the buttmonkey of Envoy reports since after the days of Kalodan & Krellan went around annoying the hell out of non-Serenwilders.

With a single tear sliding down His face, Avechna the Avenger relates the tale of how Dreamweaving was once viable for Druids and that the dreamweaver battles between Alianna and Celina were the source of much lulz. Shaking His head, he says that this is now no longer true.

His face suddenly breaking into a smile, Avechna the Avenger tells you that - because this tertiary is new and shiny - it is obscenely overpowered and will remain so until the Special Report. He encourages you to "insta sum envois" because this skill is powered primarily by their grief and rage.

Avechna the Avenger tells you cherish these days of killing people outside your meld, because it's probably going to be nerfed into near unusability like Pyromancy, even though Mages have been killing people outside of their melds for years.

Avechna the Avenger bows to you - the lesson in DruidRage is complete.

Not to mention concerning giving Druids their own skill, I've even started fleshing out one called Haruspecy for Druids.

Well, I think the Tinkering stuff is cool, but I can see how not being able to enchant paintings and statues makes it kinda lopsided.

The only relevant things that have changed since the days of "lolopdruids" are:

1) tea
2) acrobatics
3) the good ones left

Druid is an incredibly boring class to play. I don't want to go back to it. It's pointless out-of-demesne, which is frustrating. It's not underpowered in a demesne. It's not "relatively ok" in a demesne. It's death in a can. The only reason people struggle with druidry is that no one taught the current crop how to do it, so they do dumb things like try to sap with the demesne tick instead of 3-4 seconds before it on an off-balance opponent the way you're supposed to.

Now, if you'd like to post about how greentea ruined druids, go for it.