This is an issue that pre-dates even Lusternia! Depending on the leaders of an org, you can always get unenemied for it for less than for other things... but you may have to wait. The best solution then is to get some kind of permanent record of why you were enemies created, so that a later regime or minister can give you the smaller fine.

If you oppose an org though, they're going to enemy you sooner or later

Aubrey was so new when he jumped her, she didn't even know about vitae yet. I kid you not. But yeah this isn't about me actually. Like I said, Aubrey dealt with it. I just see it happen all the time to other people. But I can give you a list of names if you want. Not that it makes much difference or answers the question of why.

I couldn't figure out how to word this properly until just now when I went afk for a few and this analogy hit me: You said "well the orgs are at war, what do you expect" right? Except in war, at least RL war (yes I know it's not exactly the same, but for the sake of making my point), the armies don't go around killing civilians. In fact that's looked down upon or downright forbidden. Especially in neutral ground. It's one thing going back and forth and bombing each other's countries, but for example if you're American and you go visit France, and America and Germany were at war, you wouldn't expect German military to come in and kill you in France, right? That's what this feels like to me. Aubrey is an example of a civilian - a pacifist one at that, and very new when this happened. For an arti'd nearly omnitrans demigod to come kill a level 55 not-even-one-trans veritable newbie on neutral ground... "The orgs are at war" just sounds like a lame excuse. Unless Glom were RPing an org like the Taliban or something, like Lusternia's version of terrorists. But they're not, so... yeah... gotta go with Shaddus's original reply. Thanks everyone for helping answer my question!

Stop making Shuyin cry on the forums.

Sorry!

It's almost as fun as being enemied for bashing "protected" mobs (which aren't even in prime org territory), with no warning beforehand that those mobs are, in fact, "protected". If you're in an opposing org, some people are just looking for whatever excuse they can to enemy. It's always been a part of the game.

Being enemied for hunting protected beings is actually one of the most RP like things an org can do in enemying. Especially when it is areas like illithoid, kephera, merians who have very strong ties to an org. Even Ur'dead are understandeable even though they hate magnagora.

I just hate the denizen enemying making you free game for people to kill. If it was RPed, that's one thing, but using it as an excuse to kill other people is lame.

Sure, and I'm not trying to argue the point. Those ones make sense, even. Some of them don't, so much.

EDIT: Without any warning beforehand, especially, I mean. You're just exploring, trying to find hunting grounds/quests, and BAM - enemy status. What reason is there to even stop hunting there, then, especially when those particular mobs don't enemy on their own, so you still have Avenger there?

Eh what protected hunting area doesn't enemy you to the location when you kill one of them?

Oh if you wanted the 'real' why, it's for the sweet grief and pk xp, RP is just bent to satisfy that. Want to kill someone you hate? Poof, you are now the Protector of Gorgogs.

I figured the question was already answered within Shaddus' first post, I was just mostly interested in answering how 'bad' it really is.

Threads like this always make me wonder... I am living a privileged life? I don't have an epic list of enemy statuses, but I've got a significant amount but the last time I was jumped and killed for no other reason than being an enemy was... never. Actually, I've only been killed twice in Lusternia for no good reason: one was Visaeris and once was that guy who always stole things.

Am I getting a really unique experience here?

Nope! On all my characters, the only time I've ever been 'ganked' was during a Hamster Hunt that was free PK and Ixion jumped me for my hamsters. So that doesn't even count. Though, I was such a noob at the time, I didn't even know what Via was and just stood there on the road when he was using it to drop in on me.

I just know of Hifarae, for now. Not sure if there are others, because I haven't been enemied anywhere else for that reason, so I don't know what everybody is protecting.

Whew. For a minute there I thought you actually believed it was legit.

Nothing new about it.

Get used to it, sorry. This has been going on for years, for as long as I've been playing. Just be glad when you receive a tell after you've been ganked giving you an IC explanation, because it won't happen too often.

You don't like to be ganked, stop defending. Maybe you don't want to hear it, but it's that simple.

Now this is coming from my own personal experience. Ganking used to be a lot nastier. Since I've started playing again, I've defended more than once and I haven't been ganked (yet) by more than one person, like it happened to me in the past. So besides personal frustration (which I totally understand, even though that might not be very obvious from my post), I see no reason to complain.

Hifarae doesn't enemy? *plots centaur slaughter*

Hifarae is a location for conflict due to epic quests so yeah. (also Centaurs are obvious for protection by Seren.)

Since you're not naming names, and I don't actually see this happening all that often, I'm left feeling a bit incredulous. Just skimming this, you're implying that people make up reasons to enemy people, and then hunt them constantly in neutral territory for no other reason than the people are low-might and they believe they can get away with it. I'm not saying this is never done, but I don't feel like it's common.


Yeah, I feel like remarks like this will lead this conversation down the wrong path. This is not the real world. Glomdoring is not the German army, nor the taliban. (wtf?) Let's not get into these kinds of "analogies", thanks.

Oh and no, that's not unique. Let's see, Aubrey was jumped one time by Sidd, but that was because Ekai or whoever the current alt of that pest was (some of you know who I'm talking about) had been griefing their lowbies so Sidd was doing the same to make a point. We kicked the kid out, Sidd was like "okay cool." Legit reason, as far as I'm concerned.

Then there was Alys... that wasn't for griefing lulz or xp, it was because Alys is... well, Alys. You all know what I mean.

There was the time Aubrey, Sylphas, Nejii, and I think someone else were wandering UV and the leader decided to go into that Ixaxixaixaia village, where we all got promptly squashed. Again, even though Aubrey didn't know where they were until they were already in, that's not Glom's problem and they were right to remove her by force.

The only other time I remember being jumped was the one by Thul I mentioned before. I know there are lots of people who never get jumped for no reason. But I know there are lots of people who do, too.

Uh... Really? Did you miss the countless times I've mentioned on these forums - and in this thread - that Aubrey is a pacifist and doesn't pk, even in defense?

Civies get targetted all the time in war. Either way, RL is never a good comparison to IG.