Lendren2010-07-20 03:03:26
QUOTE (Esano @ Jul 19 2010, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem with expecting conflict quests and other avenues of conflict to prevent existing conflict is that the problems with the existing conflict are still there. Sure, you might get an hour a day or so when all of Glom, instead of raiding Etherseren, is sitting in your nexus world focusing on your constructs ... but after that, nothing's stopping them from going straight back to Etherseren (note: this conflict example was just randomly picked).
And yet when we had those kinds of things, it seems to have drained a lot of that "need to attack the other guys" off, and since at the end of the attack you either succeeded (and got to wallow in your success) or failed (and got to go
At best, it's not a solution, just one element. At worst, it's neither. But since no one's got any really solid ideas, and Estarra always wants us to offer proposed solutions alongside our complaints, and I'm doing my best.
I always felt that the elimination of nexus world conflict and the timed aspect of conflict quests was done pretty abruptly and I never felt like I had any idea why it happened. Maybe there were good reasons Estarra chose not to tell us. But then maybe she was throwing out the baby with the bathwater, too. I think it's worth reconsidering offering some kind of time-structured, objective-based raid opportunities. Doesn't have to be the same ones we used to have, but it should be something.
Unknown2010-07-20 03:16:31
I haven't really played with the communes that much, so maybe someone can fill me in. What is Glom doing, and why is it so annoying to Serenwilders?
Thendis2010-07-20 03:16:51
QUOTE (Lendren @ Jul 19 2010, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I always felt that the elimination of nexus world conflict and the timed aspect of conflict quests was done pretty abruptly and I never felt like I had any idea why it happened. Maybe there were good reasons Estarra chose not to tell us. But then maybe she was throwing out the baby with the bathwater, too. I think it's worth reconsidering offering some kind of time-structured, objective-based raid opportunities. Doesn't have to be the same ones we used to have, but it should be something.
I liked nexus world conflict, even if I wasn't any good.
Felicia2010-07-20 03:21:31
QUOTE (Taraj @ Jul 19 2010, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I haven't really played with the communes that much, so maybe someone can fill me in. What is Glom doing, and why is it so annoying to Serenwilders?
Relentless raids, pretty much.
I gather it's hard to have a full RL day of peace over there without the barbarians battering down the gates, so to speak.
Unknown2010-07-20 03:28:30
QUOTE (Felicia @ Jul 19 2010, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Relentless raids, pretty much.
I gather it's hard to have a full RL day of peace over there without the barbarians battering down the gates, so to speak.
I gather it's hard to have a full RL day of peace over there without the barbarians battering down the gates, so to speak.
But what do the raids do, other than make Ethereal a dangerous place? I know killing the Demon Lord's and Supernals leads to (or used to, I haven't played in Celest or mag in a while) a whole series of nasty consequences (i.e. killing the shield around the cities, then continual power drain until they are restored). Does something similar happen in the communes?
Unknown2010-07-20 03:33:27
The argument is that most people feel that by being raided relentlessly they are basically forced into one of two options, both of which are unappealing to them - either go attempt a defense and get slaughtered over and over, or "break rp" and ignore the cries of their precious ether entities and let them be slaughtered. That's what I heard in the other cry thread mostly, anyhow.
Xenthos2010-07-20 03:34:27
QUOTE (Taraj @ Jul 19 2010, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But what do the raids do, other than make Ethereal a dangerous place? I know killing the Demon Lord's and Supernals leads to (or used to, I haven't played in Celest or mag in a while) a whole series of nasty consequences (i.e. killing the shield around the cities, then continual power drain until they are restored). Does something similar happen in the communes?
Nah, it's just Lady killing really.
At the same time, 1 raid a day isn't "relentless"-- even Glomdoring gets that (though usually off-hours).
I think Seren is usually raided a little more frequently than that, though not today it seems...
Furien2010-07-20 03:34:29
QUOTE (Taraj @ Jul 19 2010, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But what do the raids do, other than make Ethereal a dangerous place? I know killing the Demon Lord's and Supernals leads to (or used to, I haven't played in Celest or mag in a while) a whole series of nasty consequences (i.e. killing the shield around the cities, then continual power drain until they are restored). Does something similar happen in the communes?
They kill various Lady npcs, which serve as the protectors of all the Moon Avatars, in addition to whatever morale-related effect that occurs.
Rael2010-07-20 03:39:59
QUOTE (Furien @ Jul 19 2010, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They kill various Lady npcs, which serve as the protectors of all the Moon Avatars, in addition to whatever morale-related effect that occurs.
"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
In the meantime you can come2Glom
Anisu2010-07-20 03:58:01
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Jul 20 2010, 05:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nah, it's just Lady killing really.
At the same time, 1 raid a day isn't "relentless"-- even Glomdoring gets that (though usually off-hours).
I think Seren is usually raided a little more frequently than that, though not today it seems...
At the same time, 1 raid a day isn't "relentless"-- even Glomdoring gets that (though usually off-hours).
I think Seren is usually raided a little more frequently than that, though not today it seems...
What annoys me about the raids is that they are mainly hit and run. One person in particular purely enters ethereal seren, hits a lady and immediatly runs. Then goes to a prime location does the same, then goes to another prime location and does the same, then back to ethereal and keeps that cycle up.
And breaking that cycle is hard when you don't have a large number of fighters, especially since this person calls in the rest of Glomdoring as soon as anyone competent shows up.
(yes yes I know hit and runners are nothing new, doesn't change they are utterly annoying though)
Xavius2010-07-20 03:59:25
QUOTE (Anisu @ Jul 19 2010, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And breaking that cycle is hard when you don't have a large number of fighters, especially since this person calls in the rest of Glomdoring as soon as anyone competent shows up.
And if foreign help shows up, they get enemied! Can't have anyone interfering with the grinding down of Serenwilde.
Unknown2010-07-20 04:11:41
To be fair, a referendum was made as to whether or not we should enemy for people interfering in raids, and it resulted in 'No'. So not anymore! You will be frowned upon and killed all the same, though, on top of receiving the standard Glom Smug ™ should you ever raid somewhere else and Glomdoring manages to magically be there in significant numbers to disrupt the fun raid.
Also if it's any consolation to Anisu, Magnawilde does it to Glom at 4 am too, so we are equally annoyed!
Also if it's any consolation to Anisu, Magnawilde does it to Glom at 4 am too, so we are equally annoyed!
Gregori2010-07-20 04:14:19
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Jul 19 2010, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be fair, a referendum was made as to whether or not we should enemy for people interfering in raids, and it resulted in 'No'.
So does this mean I can be unenemied for watching Celina die to narsrim in Serenwilde? (while I was a seren no less)
Unknown2010-07-20 04:16:46
Probably.
Everiine2010-07-20 04:16:47
A typical attempt at getting the stupid out of Serenwilde; note that this is not a complete log, I only pulled the relevant parts:
(more discussion about what an angel actually is, how the Supernals turn Fae into half-formed angels, same as Demons, blah blah blah)
Let's see the breakdown:
Snuggle-type actions: 4
Make-outs: 2
Sexual conversation: 4
Innane comments: 2
Overreactions: 3
And this was all in the span of... 10 minutes? 15 tops? And we deal with this every single day. There are dozens of newb/lowbies just like them every day who don't know that what they are doing is ridiculous. And the more we tell them, the more upset they get, and the more unhappy we all are. People burn out just trying to do damage control.
No, it's not the problem itself-- but the fact that so many people think that acting like this is okay is indicative of the problems facing us right now.
QUOTE
Angel of Justice, Katii, Aria of Winter says to Geralden, "I wanna go home cuz it's more private and you show a lot more emotion in private, and I loves you more than anything so I like to see that emotion."
Katii snuggles up close to Geralden, looking happy and content.
Brother Geralden, Student of Suffering breaths in deeply and then lets out a slow exhale, calming himself.
His tongue dancing gracefully, Geralden kisses Katii with melting passion.
Katii beams broadly.
Katii melts, apparently in an almost divine ecstasy.
Her tongue dancing gracefully, Katii kisses Geralden with melting passion.
Geralden snuggles up close to Katii, looking happy and content.
Brother Geralden, Student of Suffering says, "Good enough?"
Katii giggles happily.
Katii blushes furiously.
Lehki snickers softly to himself.
You say, "Uh, if you are going to act like that, please don't do so at Mother."
Keeper Enyalida Zayah says, "Agreed."
Angel of Justice, Katii, Aria of Winter says to you, "But people talk about sex openly here!"
Katii flails about helplessly.
Enyalida gives a trillingly melodic laugh.
Keeper Enyalida Zayah says, "Not when we're about."
Lehki looks about in confusion.
Angel of Justice, Katii, Aria of Winter asks, "You know how uncomfortable that makse me?"
Katii sniffles softly.
You say, "Yes, I do. That's why I'm trying to get it away from Mother."
Druid Lehki Talnara, of the Rabid Beasts says to Katii, "Why do you carry the title of Angel?"
Angel of Justice, Katii, Aria of Winter says to Lehki, "Cuz I loves Justice and a certain someone calls me his angel."
Katii nudges Geralden suggestively.
Geralden blushes furiously.
Lehki creases his brow in a frown.
You say to Lehki, "I don't think she knows what abominations angels are..."
Enyalida nods her head emphatically.
Brother Geralden, Student of Suffering says, "It's not a literal meaning."
Brother Geralden, Student of Suffering says, "She has the appearance of one. An aura. Glows. She isn't like those monstrosities in mind or spirit."
Katii smiles softly at Geralden.
Katii snuggles up close to Geralden, looking happy and content.
You shrug helplessly.
Druid Lehki Talnara, of the Rabid Beasts says to Katii, "Are you aware of the Supernals distorting and twisting the essence of the fae to transform them into lesser angels?"
Katii snuggles up close to Geralden, looking happy and content.
Brother Geralden, Student of Suffering breaths in deeply and then lets out a slow exhale, calming himself.
His tongue dancing gracefully, Geralden kisses Katii with melting passion.
Katii beams broadly.
Katii melts, apparently in an almost divine ecstasy.
Her tongue dancing gracefully, Katii kisses Geralden with melting passion.
Geralden snuggles up close to Katii, looking happy and content.
Brother Geralden, Student of Suffering says, "Good enough?"
Katii giggles happily.
Katii blushes furiously.
Lehki snickers softly to himself.
You say, "Uh, if you are going to act like that, please don't do so at Mother."
Keeper Enyalida Zayah says, "Agreed."
Angel of Justice, Katii, Aria of Winter says to you, "But people talk about sex openly here!"
Katii flails about helplessly.
Enyalida gives a trillingly melodic laugh.
Keeper Enyalida Zayah says, "Not when we're about."
Lehki looks about in confusion.
Angel of Justice, Katii, Aria of Winter asks, "You know how uncomfortable that makse me?"
Katii sniffles softly.
You say, "Yes, I do. That's why I'm trying to get it away from Mother."
Druid Lehki Talnara, of the Rabid Beasts says to Katii, "Why do you carry the title of Angel?"
Angel of Justice, Katii, Aria of Winter says to Lehki, "Cuz I loves Justice and a certain someone calls me his angel."
Katii nudges Geralden suggestively.
Geralden blushes furiously.
Lehki creases his brow in a frown.
You say to Lehki, "I don't think she knows what abominations angels are..."
Enyalida nods her head emphatically.
Brother Geralden, Student of Suffering says, "It's not a literal meaning."
Brother Geralden, Student of Suffering says, "She has the appearance of one. An aura. Glows. She isn't like those monstrosities in mind or spirit."
Katii smiles softly at Geralden.
Katii snuggles up close to Geralden, looking happy and content.
You shrug helplessly.
Druid Lehki Talnara, of the Rabid Beasts says to Katii, "Are you aware of the Supernals distorting and twisting the essence of the fae to transform them into lesser angels?"
(more discussion about what an angel actually is, how the Supernals turn Fae into half-formed angels, same as Demons, blah blah blah)
QUOTE
Angel of Justice, Katii, Aria of Winter exclaims, "For GODS' SAKE I'll change it if it causes this much argumentation!"
Geralden utters a deep, rumbling laugh.
Druid Lehki Talnara, of the Rabid Beasts says to Katii, "I was merely curious if you were aware."
Angel of Justice, Katii, Aria of Winter exclaims, "Just SHUSH! For Gods' sake it's a damned title!"
Brother Geralden, Student of Suffering says to Katii, "It's ok dear. They were just curious."
Brother Geralden, Student of Suffering says to Katii, "Calm down hon."
Katii rubs her temples in frustration.
Katii inches bashfully over to Geralden and nuzzles him tenderly.
Angel of Justice, Katii, Aria of Winter says, "Sorry...I'm just so tired of the constant drama here."
Geralden utters a deep, rumbling laugh.
Druid Lehki Talnara, of the Rabid Beasts says to Katii, "I was merely curious if you were aware."
Angel of Justice, Katii, Aria of Winter exclaims, "Just SHUSH! For Gods' sake it's a damned title!"
Brother Geralden, Student of Suffering says to Katii, "It's ok dear. They were just curious."
Brother Geralden, Student of Suffering says to Katii, "Calm down hon."
Katii rubs her temples in frustration.
Katii inches bashfully over to Geralden and nuzzles him tenderly.
Angel of Justice, Katii, Aria of Winter says, "Sorry...I'm just so tired of the constant drama here."
Let's see the breakdown:
Snuggle-type actions: 4
Make-outs: 2
Sexual conversation: 4
Innane comments: 2
Overreactions: 3
And this was all in the span of... 10 minutes? 15 tops? And we deal with this every single day. There are dozens of newb/lowbies just like them every day who don't know that what they are doing is ridiculous. And the more we tell them, the more upset they get, and the more unhappy we all are. People burn out just trying to do damage control.
No, it's not the problem itself-- but the fact that so many people think that acting like this is okay is indicative of the problems facing us right now.
Anisu2010-07-20 04:17:44
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Jul 20 2010, 06:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be fair, a referendum was made as to whether or not we should enemy for people interfering in raids, and it resulted in 'No'. So not anymore! You will be frowned upon and killed all the same, though, on top of receiving the standard Glom Smug ™ should you ever raid somewhere else and Glomdoring manages to magically be there in significant numbers to disrupt the fun raid.
Also if it's any consolation to Anisu, Magnawilde does it to Glom at 4 am too, so we are equally annoyed!
Also if it's any consolation to Anisu, Magnawilde does it to Glom at 4 am too, so we are equally annoyed!
Not really a consolation since I already knew it happens both ways. But since I have no glom alts it can't annoy me there
Ps what I would really like is the ability to use rift distort on the archways
Unknown2010-07-20 04:25:38
I agree, it'll be the first thing I do whenever people raid too.
james2010-07-20 04:29:24
QUOTE (Everiine @ Jul 20 2010, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A typical attempt at getting the stupid out of Serenwilde; note that this is not a complete log, I only pulled the relevant parts:
(more discussion about what an angel actually is, how the Supernals turn Fae into half-formed angels, same as Demons, blah blah blah)
Let's see the breakdown:
Snuggle-type actions: 4
Make-outs: 2
Sexual conversation: 4
Innane comments: 2
Overreactions: 3
And this was all in the span of... 10 minutes? 15 tops? And we deal with this every single day. There are dozens of newb/lowbies just like them every day who don't know that what they are doing is ridiculous. And the more we tell them, the more upset they get, and the more unhappy we all are. People burn out just trying to do damage control.
No, it's not the problem itself-- but the fact that so many people think that acting like this is okay is indicative of the problems facing us right now.
(more discussion about what an angel actually is, how the Supernals turn Fae into half-formed angels, same as Demons, blah blah blah)
Let's see the breakdown:
Snuggle-type actions: 4
Make-outs: 2
Sexual conversation: 4
Innane comments: 2
Overreactions: 3
And this was all in the span of... 10 minutes? 15 tops? And we deal with this every single day. There are dozens of newb/lowbies just like them every day who don't know that what they are doing is ridiculous. And the more we tell them, the more upset they get, and the more unhappy we all are. People burn out just trying to do damage control.
No, it's not the problem itself-- but the fact that so many people think that acting like this is okay is indicative of the problems facing us right now.
Lulz
Unknown2010-07-20 04:30:01
QUOTE (Everiine @ Jul 20 2010, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Horrible log.
Wow, that was a lot worse than I had thought.
edit: I'm tempted to make a MD alt, get to pooka and grief those kids at your nexus
Sylphas2010-07-20 04:30:56
QUOTE (Everiine @ Jul 20 2010, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A typical attempt at getting the stupid out of Serenwilde; note that this is not a complete log, I only pulled the relevant parts:
(more discussion about what an angel actually is, how the Supernals turn Fae into half-formed angels, same as Demons, blah blah blah)
Let's see the breakdown:
Snuggle-type actions: 4
Make-outs: 2
Sexual conversation: 4
Innane comments: 2
Overreactions: 3
And this was all in the span of... 10 minutes? 15 tops? And we deal with this every single day. There are dozens of newb/lowbies just like them every day who don't know that what they are doing is ridiculous. And the more we tell them, the more upset they get, and the more unhappy we all are. People burn out just trying to do damage control.
No, it's not the problem itself-- but the fact that so many people think that acting like this is okay is indicative of the problems facing us right now.
(more discussion about what an angel actually is, how the Supernals turn Fae into half-formed angels, same as Demons, blah blah blah)
Let's see the breakdown:
Snuggle-type actions: 4
Make-outs: 2
Sexual conversation: 4
Innane comments: 2
Overreactions: 3
And this was all in the span of... 10 minutes? 15 tops? And we deal with this every single day. There are dozens of newb/lowbies just like them every day who don't know that what they are doing is ridiculous. And the more we tell them, the more upset they get, and the more unhappy we all are. People burn out just trying to do damage control.
No, it's not the problem itself-- but the fact that so many people think that acting like this is okay is indicative of the problems facing us right now.
The real kicker for me is that Geralden is from Gaudiguch, yet he barely ever moves away from our nexus. I've seen times where we have more foreigners at our nexus than we do Serens, which makes me just want to make them all leave and go do something productive, or RP in their own damn home for once.