QFT.

I think that one of the main reasons that Mag responds to Seren getting raided is that Glom usually responds to our own raids against Celest.

I respond to raids on Nil because Mags help us. D:

Actually, to be fair, Seren does help us on occasion. I don't want to insult the people that do come, but most of the time, the battle's already over.

So can we all agree NOT to help each other? That would be fantastic.

I agree that I hate all of you irrelevant of where you're from.

What a painful thread to skim.

I think it's a GOOD thing to have allies in a game like this. If we didn't work together at least SOME of the time, we'd all be isolationist warmongers and there would be less of a dynamic feel to everything.


Regarding Choke versus Aeon, the main difference for me is that it's incurable and has no defense. The one downside to it is supposed to be that it affects the attacker, but all you need is more people on your side (or passive effects, such as fae), and you're set. If there was a cure for it other than fleeing, you could setup your curing to try and reach that cure, just as you can with aeon/sap.

I still don't understand why Serenwilde can't just have people set a trigger to announce on your military clan that:

clt BLAH has choked BLAH2!! EVERYONE TARGET BLAH!

Not hard. Choke is a double-edged sword, and you can do everything we can do to you back at us.

See:

Choke/PerfectFifth/Bardoon
Choke/Succumb
Choke/Aurawarp
Choke/Bellow
Choke/Hadrudin
Choke/Insert General Shofangi OP Monk Action Here
Choke/Stagstomp
Choke/Pinleg
Choke/Decap

Really, there is a whole lot that Serenwilde can do right back at us.

EDIT: Shamarah is the winner of the thread and just totally made these entire 21 pages worthwhile.

'Rak has won everything under the domain lusternia.com.

No. I like how choke affects you, it's unique because it forces you to adopt a different strategy, system and combat wise. I would suggest lowering the delay to 0.5 seconds, but no. I don't want choke to go away.

EDIT: and yeah, Shamarah pretty much closed this thread. Well done.

Because the chokers aren't idiots and don't use choke much when there's a large number of Serens in the room.

How do you lose with a large number of Serens in the room?

Oh shi-

Large being like, 4-6. And because they can still often enough have more then that. +Scissor kick and spring trap spam which makes me cry.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, don't begrudge them for using powerful moves and strategy. It still just makes me cry inside. /sad

Generally speaking I find that word to be an excellent way to completely avoid the real issues, so I try to avoid it. This isn't petty semantics, it's a key issue.

All of us chose to play a multiplayer game instead of a solitaire game. We therefore chose, and explicitly consented to, the fact that someone else can come in and decide because he's bored, you have to play the game he wants to play. It's part of the experience. It's a straw-man argument to posit that this is a problem. It's not.

However, when one person does that every thirty seconds for three hours, and then does it again the next day, and then this goes on for a month, this is wrong. This is one person being a jerk. No single time that he did it was wrong. Only the sum total of it is wrong. When, over the course of nine months, a handful of people can claim several thousand raids (do the math yourself), it's wrong. And when they see that people are quitting and they keep doing it, then the question is, did they at least try to find other ways to get their thrill without getting it out of the tenth consecutive month of people being driven insane and, in many cases, leaving the game?

If they did, and couldn't find one, I think they didn't try. You want an easy way to get that thrill you talked about loving, any single minute you want it, without ever making anyone else upset? Join Serenwilde. Whenever you log on, there will be a raid you can go meet within the next half hour. There you go: a way to get the thrill you claim is your motivation, in a way that is contributing to the game, and not only not driving exhausted, unhappy people farther into their hole, but helping some of them get out.

Why haven't more people done this? Because 90% of the people who say that they're really in this for the thrill of combat on demand are lying. Maybe to us, maybe to themselves, but it's a lie just the same. They want combat on demand and being on the winning side. They want combat on demand and being able to choose for themselves when and where and how it happens, and more importantly, when and where and how it ends. Those very things that make it so wonderful for them, are what make it miserable for us. We haven't had that for more than an RL year now.

I don't know where you fall in all of that. I don't even know who you are. So this isn't an accusation towards you. Mostly I'm trying to avoid letting the conversation descend into quick-and-easy stereotypes like "griefer" that not only don't help but actually obscure the issues.

We all want to have the chance to be interrupted by an attack. We all want the chance to be the one interrupting someone else. We all chose this game over a single-player one. Taking advantage of that is not evil, if it's done in moderation and with consideration.

95% of Glomdoring's players at any given time do it in moderation and with consideration, or at least get close enough to those standards that you know they're at least trying. The only thing you can blame them for is turning a blind eye to the other 5% and letting them do as they want -- letting them do to someone the very things that they were complaining about when it was done to them. Then again, maybe they're not turning a blind eye. Maybe they can't stop that 5% any more than I was able to stop Serenwilde's when it was the other way around. I can't blame them for that, either.

So when you get right down to it, there's very few people I actually want to point a finger at and say, "you are part of the problem." (And even those few, I won't, because that would be counterproductive, and besides, they already know it, even if they won't admit it.) If it were that simple, then fixing the problem would be simple, too.

To be honest, both sides will insist that the other guy started helping ally org x first. While it'd be nice if the only orgs we had to give a damn about were our own and our 'designated' enemy, the nature of game dictates that allies are needed to maintain a certain quality of life. Also I love me some sweet city enchants.

At this point, it's a bit too little, too late, the only reasonable way I can see this happening again is if the alliances dissolve naturally or ally org y betrays ally org z.

Plus if you don't get allies, it's very easy for your enemies to convince them to ally against you. See Glom vs. Everyone, year 2009.

RE: Choke -

Are you guys actually implying that we only choke when...it's not a stupid thing to do?! You're saying that we use thinking and tactics in choke whoring from time to time? What kind of alternate reality Glom have you guys been fighting, the Glom I know insta-chokes the victim, he/she dies in .3 seconds and then a Glom teabags them RL.

There is a fair point though that choke can easily backfire against the user, and while I know that us deciding when to use it is an advantage, it is not an insurmountable one. There's currently a report on choke right now, so hey, it might change yet again. But I have no delusions that even if choke were changed to whatever the loud envoys want it to be, the bitching will still continue so long as Glom beats them with it.

You guys can also use room separation moves like Glom too you know. You have more trackers than Glom, a lot of scissorkickers, eager ninjakari chainyankers, wispers, etc.

P.S. bingo win

I also recall a time when certain people used dominate abilities to force chokers to choke their own allies...

I don't know, during my holidays when I was around during prime-time, I waited in vain for real raids so I could defend. Then again, I often missed hit and run raids while surfing forums/whatever or HoNing.

A lot of the time on Solanis, I can't be bothered to do anything that productive, I just hope someone raids so I can defend.

Edit:


I made an alias for that ages ago, but I keep forgetting to do it.

...I kinda want one of those bingo cards for each org now. I'd play forum bingo for each hot topic thread.