Eh, that's another problem with Serenwilde. The people who want to defend are mostly clueless, and the rest don't care. I'm not a pker whatsoever, but Aubrey would do resurgems and heal defenders and whatnot. Then she got called useless for not actually participating in the combat, while getting yelled at for not resurgeming fast enough, etc, and finally she was like okay screw you all and quit bothering. :/

NATURE VINES @TARGET
HEADSLAM @TARGET
KA HOLD TARGET
PLAY BLANKNOTE @TARGET, PLAY PERFECTFIFTH @TARGET

All skills below Master in their skillsets. All useful to holding people while the higher ups wail on them.

Yeah I kinda also don't want to get into pk.

I don't really know you in Serenwilde, but in my meaningless opinion, people who aren't prepared to defend what they love should be willing to have it taken away from them. i'm not saying you have to be a pvp champ, just know how to help out.

Whoever said you were useless is an idiot and part of the problem.

Unless it was me. Then I'm a BIG idiot, because I know better, but say stupid stuff anyway when I'm upset.

Fortunately the one who said I was useless is now gone (Ijen). Still, a lot of people do have this double standard. "We want you to pk, but we also want you to do resurgems, and do it within .01 seconds." Yeah, that's kind of impossible. You can't do both, at any speed. Shaddus, resurgeming and healing the defenders is helping and defending the home. It allows the violent portion of defense to continue. Kind of frustrating how people think the only valid form of help is the pk form. There are plenty of other ways to help...

This, oh god, this. I hear things like "We're raiding because of Lehki/Tedd/some chipmunk killed Daughers" or "I'm leaving because Bob was an asshole" or "We've had issues with Serenwilde making illithoid leave when they come to defend," none of which anyone brings to the Council. Diplomatic solutions aren't even attempted, and it makes me sad. The least you can do is ask, and then do whatever if it goes badly. Just doing it anyway and then blaming your actions on problems you never tried to correct is maddening.

How exactly is healing defenders and Resurgeming not participating in defense?

The point of this thread is moot if no one does anything about it. I agree with Xavius to a degree, when he stated that power is not title given, but it's definitely one step in the right direction. Well, any direction, actually. It's also going to take a united front to make the kind of sweeping change that, I think, is the reason this thread started in the first place.

If a united front isn't possible, construct some clandestine Illuminati-like coalition to slowly-but-surely effect the change you want. It's fun, it's exhilarating, and most importantly, it's proactive. Nothing is going to happen unless you make it happen. Ask Veyda, Xavius, Yeralih and Valarien.

Fear not, I tell you all my complaints IG!

He's right though. I almost never hear complaints about guild members doing stupid things IG, but have seen a few mentions in this thread for instance.

This!!

That we elected Rhaell is proof that Serenwilde as a whole has ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE about what stupid things Serenwilders do.

Yeah well, they found out and corrected that mistake, thank God.

Its okay to a degree. But the problem is only three people are needed to resurgem and often there's a great many more "helping" that way. At that point its just an excuse to claim defending without really doing anything. Joining in to just vine/headslam is more productive. Its not that people are against resurgem covens, its that we don't want people to use it as an excuse to seem helpful, you know without being helpful.

You resurgem heads need to crack down, XYZ is in my coven but ABC isn't so get out there and defend, all said with a nice gentle kick towards the Gloms of course.

The bottom of my post addresses that problem. While my statement was albeit a little facetious, the value of my suggestion is the same. If you can't get things done with what you have right now, then what you have to work with has to change first. Ie, if the current leadership is dragging its feet, then that leadership needs to be replaced or be somehow coerced into doing what it needs to do.

If you are that person who needs to step up and create the first ripple, then go, baby, go! Ripple hoy! Hoist that anchor! Don't wait for some deity to straighten out the mess mortals have made.

Alternatively, if Serenwilde ISN'T as broken as this thread suggests (it certainly isn't the majority), then the way you view the way things are might be a little corrupt. Ask yourself why things aren't working, get to the bottom of that epiphany, and if it still doesn't make sense the way it is, then you're onto something. If you decide that you're probably overreacting, then take a break from Lusternia politics for a while.

Trust me. We've all been there. ALL OF US.

I agreed with Xavius, for God's sake. That's proof enough that Lusternia politics do something to us.

Actually I am taking a break from Lusternia politics for a while. That's why Aubrey just wakes up, does her duties, and goes back to bed. I tried being "that person" along with a few others who pushed for change, and all it got me was hated and frustrated (and no I am not intentionally trying to rhyme). If you really don't enjoy it whatsoever anymore, it's time for a break. I still keep an eye on things though. It might be that I'm not around enough to see the bad stuff anymore, but from what I can tell, things almost look like they're improving. Still a few changes to be made before we're really on the right track, but I'm cautiously optimistic again. When I think I'd stand a chance, and when I have the energy built back up, I'm sure I'll take another shot at helping things improve.

Turnus is right, there were too many littleish people standing at Mother, quick to say "join me into the coven" and then doing nothing. They could heal people who get resurgemed, they could sprinkle salt on people transversing, but they'd do none of that. And then they'd expect to get favoured along with the rest of us who actually worked. But there is a difference between those people and people like Aubrey and Mnemosyne who worked their butts off, spending 100 power in a single raid, sacrificing hours of their time, and so forth. But Turnus, didn't that change? When the big folks started yelling about it, the kids stopped doing it (of course they also stopped showing up AT ALL, but I guess that just shows their true colours). Did it go back to being a problem?

FORUMRPZ: Guildfavour Mnemo plz

You can also just alt in the Illuminati and have more fun for less effort.

So... what's stopping you?

Maybe some sense of false loyalty? If you are not enjoying yourself, then simply quit. It's your right to enjoy yourself while playing a game, especially if you have payed irl money to play it.

Worried that your friends will get mad at you for leaving? Honestly, if you they get mad at you for that, they weren't your friends in the first place.

Worried that you might feel like you've failed the Shofangi? Despite what other people say, some things you just can't do by yourself. The Shofangi has been hurting for members for as long as I can remember, I doubt that anyone other than an admin can change that.

QUIT SERENWILDE was one of the best commands that I have ever sent to the mud.

This is only my opinion, feel free to disagree with me.

And as a side note, I've always liked Sadie, I don't know how you manage it, but sometimes when I talk to her I get this image of a puppy-eyed little girl who likes to tug at my shirt while saying "Hullo mister!", but when nobody is around she disembowels the family pet to bathe in its blood and wear its entrails as a necklace. Good job.

Go ancient Roman style, elect a totalitarian government until all is well? (Hope it doesn't turn out like Julius Ceaser? (Hope it does? ))



Not sure if it is an appealing idea, but what about making a clan that every seren is added to, then ban the more so-called 'snugly' talk on the city ather, that way anything important can be heard and the clan channel can be muted for those who don't care for it? I don't know much about how much gold an org will have on hand, but this may be worth it.



I made an alt in the Moondancers recently and holy:censor:lords, I would love if some higher ups did this. And not just toadcurse, though that's certainly the coolest and most reasonable one I know. Killing may be too much, usually, but doing something. I respect creative punishment!