Weighting on most things could afford to come down, really. Aegis & Destruction & Divinefire & Seek (a fraction of what an Ascendant already had) is all 150 points.

Divinefire & Seek is all of a Demigod's points right there, just for those two abilities; they lose all their stats, zap, etc.

It would seem like weighting would be better if Demigods were able to attain most of what they had excepting, perhaps, DF (so keep it at a higher weight). Then they can pick and choose between what they had and / or replacing it with some of the newer things.

So... keep DF at 30 points.

Make Seek 2 points (it can only be done from Havens anways).
Make all the Endowments 4 points (20 total).
Refresh, 2 points.
Shrink / Expand, 5 points. (10 total)
ChoiceShout, 5 points.
ChoiceZap, 10 points.

^-- That's 49 right there. They've lost Divinefire at this point, but are able to get most of what they had.

They could then trade some of these for the custom look message, enter message, teleport message, or second trade skill.

Then maybe readjust some of the costs for the Ascendant stuff, but that's a bit less important at this point I guess. Excepting Aegis, which really should not be so expensive.

Edit: Actually, in line with the rest of this DF would have to go down to 15/20 weighting.

I -think- you can EMBRACE RACE to get back to your normal size.

Everything seems to be reset to normal base-race-stats now anyway. At least I went from size 1 to size 5.

Seek 20 5000000
Info for Seek:
Syntax: SEEK
A Demigod may SEEK any mortal, and know exactly where they are.



KnowledgeAwareness 30 25000000
Info for KnowledgeAwareness:
(Passive, SEEK anywhere)
The Domotheos of Knowledge can grant those who draw upon its energies universal awareness, allowing them to SEEK others from any place in creation.

I'm not too sure I get why Seek takes 20 weight. And if it's still limited to Havens (or KnowledgeAwareness makes little sense), it ought to say so. A single place scry doesn't seem to be worth 20, unless I'm missing something here :/

EDIT: Oh wow, ninja'd. And to Eventru: Thul's a tae'dae, so would have been shrinking from the normal size to get the +dex from shrinking/size change.

Yeah, I was looking at all that jazz too. Seek does not need to be that much. I barely used it. Only accessible from the Havens and Shrink/Expand is great, but Size really doesn't play much part in Summon resist anymore. So those three things I will probably not buy being how much they are. And Zap, I really want zap back! I liked zapping newbies back into place. Only takes 500 health away anyways....Anyways, I agree with Xenthos. Pull back the price on everything except Divinefire and maybe Refresh. Those were the game breakers.

As I looked at the whole situation, I have come to the conclusion that the weights are actually fine as is. Instead, what needs to be done is reduce the spread on possible points between each group to a total of 50. So Demigods would have 50, Vernal Demigods would have 75, and Ascendants would have 100.

Yay, now that I finished making things pretty, I have a few questions outside of opinion.

1) Is there a syntax to see pre-defined descriptions for the custom shout/zap/look/entrance messages to see if we'd like to buy them or will we have to buy them first to see?

2) I know there is an initial cost on purchase, but are there further costs to use the skills (like how it cost essence before to zap)? If there are costs on usage, what are they/can they be added to the information perchance?

3) Really excellent job on the new toys, though I wouldn't mind if Harvest in Nature were made to give a single IC-month long level one health/mana/ego/critical hit/balance/equilibrium/regeneration/movement blessing instead of the chance for herbs being pulled out. Would give more incentive for people to poke at Nature anyways, since they'd get something unique!

Seek is undeniable (so it goes through all the stealth stuff). As has been said, we can certainly look at adjusting the weights/essences, but we want to see how things play out first (it only went in a couple hours ago!)

I love the mechanics of the new system, overall. Excellent job with the design and the coding.

I'm not thrilled at all with the costs, as one of those who doesn't hunt for hours every day. I was stunned to find that I'd have to use my supernumerary weight AND pay the ephemeral cost to make a power permanent. That just didn't make sense to me at all. I do understand that we shouldn't get to switch for free, so there ought to be some cost associated with making it permanent or deselecting it, but these costs are unaffordable for me at the moment. Losing a dozen abilities/perks and not being able to buy them back for RL months (in my case, at least) is quite painful. I can almost afford to buy back my +1's...

I have a concern about the council members voting to unascend people, too, as the Shofangi are currently without a GM, and I don't know if the election will end with enough time for the ascendant voting to go through as needed.

Problem is, there are those of us who are waiting until things get re-examined so that it's not a hefty waste of essence and planning. Especially when nobody knows the VA situation, so we can't even begin looking into that side of things.

Theoretically no VAs should be buying anything because we might all lose it.

The problem isn't that I'm not at my normal size. That got reset. The problem is that I've been running around at Size 6 since Titan so that I'd be somewhat more viable as a monk.

8 million essence and 20 weight to get my dex back. Essence isn't terrible, but I'll probably be frothing about the weight later on. Especially since Shrink doesn't come packaged with Grow anymore.

Any chance demigods can get a free race change out of this? My race is now pretty useless now for my guild, with 1 fewer of every stat, and a little more str lower on top of that. I doubt I'm the only one who just doesn't work anymore.

Wow! Now I want to go and bash.

Having lost nothing myself, this looks great. Demi seemed crazy before.

A lot of these, mainly the nicest domoth powers, look like things that really should not be gathered up and all stacked together.

I'm puzzled that custom appearance stuff is priced as it is. Seems very expensive, considering them in terms of weight and what buying them precludes.

I'm actually kind of curious; why does getting less, that you have to further grind for once you get Demi, make you want to bash more?

That seems rather backwards to me; you'd think if it seemed crazy before that you would have wanted to go for it all-out, no?

Are you the one I should be concerned about disagreeing with?

I know this may be too soon, but has anyone seen any of Veneration yet?

Could we have the test server booted up, so we can experiment with some of the new skills and see if they're worthwhile (e.g. deathaura/purityofbody, grab the lines for the new beast stuffs, get the lines for preset shout/zap/whatever) without spending ridonculous amounts of essence?

All cults were stripped, and then the cost of raising one raised from 10mil, to 75 mil. So yeah.

I wonder if you have to buy CustomEnterMessage once every time you want to change it. Or if buying it once gives access to all possible messages and you get to change at will without cost :S

EDIT: Actually, what happens if you try to buy a power without having enough essence? Does it try to buy it anyway and drop you into Titanhood?

I think a cult was created though. But it did say in the announce that much of cults wasn't even finished yet...