Hope I don't lose my bonus stats, if I do I think I'd have to change race

Rp stuff would be cool though, am definitely curious to see what people have come up with.

I hope the costs to get things aren't so prohibitive that only warriors or people with already excessive essence pools can buy them. It would suck for those people who have less time to play to be shut out because of those who have the time and energy and skillset to bash up large essence pools.

Not that I think they should be cheap, just not based on a skewed perspective of "well there are all these people who have 100 million essence, so it must be easy to get 100 million essence for everyone"

Even though I'm standing at 287 million, I'm going to feel pretty blah about all this if the majority of powers now have to be repurchased often. Maybe just a few would be fine, but especially the customisable stuff should be obtain-and-keep.

I recall from the thread that Estarra was saying something like, you had certain amount of points or w/e to spend on permanent things, and then could spend essence regularly on temporary things

Sooo... you are saying the majority of the players who tend to go through alot of credits will be the least happy about these changes while you are adding a bunch of new things to ascendants to unbalance combat and even giving bonus perks to people who were ascended previously because of admin oversight...?

I am hoping I am wrong as to what you are exactly doing. The way I see it demigod ddnt have many perks compared to ascendants to begin with. Refresh , divinefire, +stats, and.... uhh... zap?

Demigods are the majority of your endgamers and you are saying you didnt look to make them some neat things like domoth specs, or something? You put it all into a status that maybe 2% of the playerbase will ever be?

Here's a question I don't think was answered, roughly how soon should we be expecting to see this stuff? Few days, weeks?

Hopefully by Juliary! (Now go ask a Celestine how long that is....)

Hopefully by Juliary! (Now go ask a Celestine how long that is....)

Hopefully by Juliary! (Now go ask a Celestine how long that is....)

Here's a rough idea on the direction we will most likely go in regards to the new demigod/ascendant system. I'm posting it here for information only. At this point, we're deciding things internally and aren't looking for a big discussion over our direction (so while you can give your opinion, don't expect us to engage in a debate to justify where we're going--if your opinion has merit, it will be quietly discussed among ourselves).

I will reiterate that we really do need more solid, specific ideas for actual skills and abilities! It certainly can be RP ideas! While we're not looking for OP pvp abilities, we won't be adverse to including a few pvp skills/abilities.

Avatars and Cults

• Ascendants can be made Avatars for free.
• Cults can be purchased and maintained for Avatars only

Cults will have the 'Veneration' skillset (which is mostly all the current cult powers).

Demipowers
Demigods and Ascendants can purchase demipowers at the cost of essence. At the time of purchase, they can select their demipower to be supernumerary (which is permanent unless specifically removed) or ephemeral (which lasts one game year).

Supernumerary Demipowers

• Demigods can have supernumerary demipowers of a weight of 5 or less.
• Ascendants can have supernumerary demipowers of a weight of 15 or less.
• Vernals (ex-ascendants) can have supernumerary demipowers of a weight of 10 or less.

Example: The Refresh Demipower will cost 15M essence to learn. At the time of learning, you can choose to make it either a supernumerary demipower in which case it is permanent (unless you forget it) or an ephemeral demipower in which case you will lose it in 15 RL days. If it is supernumerary, Refresh has a weight of 2 so you will be able to have additional permanent power(s) up to a weight of 3. Using Refresh (whether supernumerary or ephemeral) will cost essence.

Vernal Ascendant System

NOTE: The Ascendance skillset will be removed.

Raising costs:

• First Ascendant - 2M
• Second Ascendant - 2M
• Third Ascendant - 4M
• Fourth Ascendant - 8M
• Fifth Ascendant - 16M
• etc.

Special for orgs with current vernals--figure out how much power should have been raised and thus the org will "owe" that much power, i.e., if they have 5 vernals, they should have spent 32M power rather than 10M (thus the org owes 22M). They have one week to decide to strip vernals to reduce that cost. However many vernals they have after the week grace period will be what the org permanently owes. If an org owes power, they will be drained 50k power a day until the owed cost is paid.

Stripping:

• Vernal Ascendant status can be stripped
• All demipowers stripped

Ascendant Demipowers

These are powers only available to Ascendants. They work exactly like regular demipowers, they can be supernumerary or ephemeral. We are aiming for 9 ascendant powers, each relating to a domoth. True Ascendants will get the ascendant power relating to their domoth for free.

Ex-Vernal Ascendants

• Always have the word "vernal" as their race, i.e., vernal demigod, vernal faeling, etc.
• If a vernal demigod, has access to 10 supernumerary demipowers (instead of 5)
• Can maintain one (and only one) ascendant demipower (so long as they maintain demigodhood)

Actually, the majority of my time was spent on cults, designing them to be as open as possible while allowing gods to take on at least a couple at a time without too much effort, and designing them to be open and accessible to everyone within the cult in lieu of a single person with everyone else subjugated to a minority support role by virtue of existing.

It was generally felt that demigods, between refresh, divinefire, bonus stats, zap, shrink/expand, were a bit much. It became a very serious factor that was sometimes insurmountable. Demigods can have pretty much everything they used to under the old system, it simply requires a lot of upkeep. Or else they can maintain a few, pick and choose what they prefer, for nothing more than an initial cost, indefinitely if they so desire.

Revisit the old thread where they discuss a weight system, and you'll see the basic premise. I believe Estarra posted an explanation of what we were planning on going ahead with as well.

And a lot of time has been spent on demigods, probably as much as ascendants, it's simply mostly creative work, in lieu of simple coding. Which, frankly, took far longer than the Ascendant stuff.

You'll see! I think most people will be pleased.

Eh, this sounds fine really. We will see if its just another way to buff groups of people for large effects.



Refresh, eh thats more utility really. I use it mainly for lich refreshing. Divinefire is the reason you bash I am almost convinced. Bonus stats, we are alot more tame than other IREs on this I think. Zap is flavour, outside of large groups its pretty useless (can also add a timer that the environment cant support another blast of energy so soon). Shrink/expand... that has nothing to do with much anything, it wont break anything at all. And how much can I have? I like my divinefire, refresh me, stats are nice, but you can keep the rest.



The threads are too convoluted, no one updates a single main page for review, and I dont want to clear 10+ pages.



So you are making all my work mean I have to sit there and grind forever again but wait at least I can change negligible things...? You do realize I didnt have aetherspace in my day, I had to bash it, and because you all made it so easy to get demigod sitting in place.. its too much now and we need be toned down? Hopefully you can see where its like being smacked for existing. Demigod was supposed to show effort, its just an AFK earned status now.

Ah. Well, demigods will have access to some neat stuff. I think Lendren will be happy with at least some of it. To be quite honest, "endgame PvPers" probably won't be very happy (as demigods over all will not be as strong as they were, or not for extended periods of time anyways), whereas those who want roleplay buffs and the like will be pretty happy, I think. There's just a lot they can play with and customize within reason. We tried to give a lot of variety.

And like I said, we'll be happy to consider new ideas and suggestions - it was pretty lacklustre last time around, if I remember correctly, but who knows about the next bout of ideas! The system was designed so we can add more as time and ideas allow, while not really unbalancing demigods. So hurrah for foresight?

Actually, the majority of my time was spent on cults, designing them to be as open as possible while allowing gods to take on at least a couple at a time without too much effort, and designing them to be open and accessible to everyone within the cult in lieu of a single person with everyone else subjugated to a minority support role by virtue of existing.

It was generally felt that demigods, between refresh, divinefire, bonus stats, zap, shrink/expand, were a bit much. It became a very serious factor that was sometimes insurmountable. Demigods can have pretty much everything they used to under the old system, it simply requires a lot of upkeep. Or else they can maintain a few, pick and choose what they prefer, for nothing more than an initial cost, indefinitely if they so desire.

Revisit the old thread where they discuss a weight system, and you'll see the basic premise. I believe Estarra posted an explanation of what we were planning on going ahead with as well.

And a lot of time has been spent on demigods, probably as much as ascendants, it's simply mostly creative work, in lieu of simple coding. Which, frankly, took far longer than the Ascendant stuff.

You'll see! I think most people will be pleased.

The only problem with demigods was divinefire, shrink/expand were certainly not an issue after the summon resistance change, but hey not like anyone ever fully listens to the people who play the game.

This rhetoric is really getting old. We get it, you did more than everyone else, and someone else who did less than you is rewarded in the same way. Welcome to life, boyo. isn't always fair.

Vernal Ascendant System

NOTE: The Ascendance skillset will be removed.

Raising costs:


•First Ascendant - 2M
•Second Ascendant - 2M
•Third Ascendant - 4M
•Fourth Ascendant - 8M
•Fifth Ascendant - 16M
•etc.

Special for orgs with current vernals--figure out how much power should have been raised and thus the org will "owe" that much power, i.e., if they have 5 vernals, they should have spent 32M power rather than 10M (thus the org owes 22M). They have one week to decide to strip vernals to reduce that cost. However many vernals they have after the week grace period will be what the org permanently owes. If an org owes power, they will be drained 50k power a day until the owed cost is paid.