C'mon, guys, sad day when I'm the voice of calm and reason. Stalin just rolled over in his grave and told you to chillax, too. Bob Marley singin' don't worry 'bout a thing, happy tigers gettin' high on catnip, and there's still people posting with raised heart rates. Overreactions are bad, mmk?

Not yours but anyway.

I think you have your groups mixed up here.

BTW, I have reams of advice and comments I could make on chaos and freedom, and how to run an organization based on these tenets, all of which should only be given behind closed doors.

Alas, I'll have to hold my tongue as that sort of advice definitely COULD be used against me. (Yes, the preceding sentence has lines you can read between which is advice in itself.)

Okay I will look into it as a side project but I need to tell you that it's not just one person creating multiple alts but an army of people creating alts at their new main following Kalin is my theory.

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Probably because I AM being reasonable, and I DO want clarification? If you want to be upset at me for failing to paraphrase our meeting correctly, by all means, go ahead. If you want to take it as slander, go ahead. However, you shouldn't be provoked to reaction by things as simple as failing to remember EXACTLY what is said. Tell me 'troll fed' when I'm not attempting to troll is pretty odd, too. What I am looking for isn't a reaction, but for things to be explained. Is it honestly so bad that a player would like to know the lines so he doesn't cross them? By all means, continue being angry at the fact that I incorrectly recalled some aspects of the discussion had prior, but please understand that it doesn't make it any easier for me to get some answers.


EDIT: Also, do you see me insisting you said these things? No, I don't think so. I've even implied that I cede that my memory on the discussion was a bit hazy besides the parts that made me draw my own lines to very safely stay behind.

Yes I know your part of it silly. Your one of them anyway. It'll take me some time to dig around but I think I can come up with more than just one or two.

Good to know, I was unaware of the fact. I don't vote on alts.

On the topic of reading between the lines, the Eventru Notes of my previous post was 'but stop posting about it on the forums'. If there's an issue to contend with, we'll contend with it. Making baseless accusations is just going to inflame the situation.

Please don't run around pointing the accusatory finger when you yourself are guilty of your own complaint, minus the following Kalin bit. Defeats your entire argument.

Good grief, READ some of the things you frickin wrote! You didn't innocently "fail to remember" exactly what I said, you engaged in gross exaggeration, hyperbole and sarcasm. And, obviously, you DID remember what was said as you changed your paraphrase when pressed.

Did anyone else have sudden eye bleeding reading that?

Coming from a practitioner of chaos magic, let me tell you how it works...

Chaos magic is about finding and utilizing what works best to achieve a desired result. This normally involves paradigm shifts, research, and just plain ####ing around with stuff until you find what does, in fact, work.

Chaos magic is about stripping away all of the gobbledygook of a system, finding the bare bones and the framework, and seeing what makes it work to begin with. Once you find the frame, you can embellish it however you deem fit.

Chaos magic can be likened to unverified personal gnosis. You may have seen a vision that's true for you, but it's not necessarily true for others.

Two chaotes are never the same.

Another edit: And to further expound upon this, chaos magic does not imply that it is without reason or any kind of form. The "chaos" chaos magic derives from the ancient Greek word "Χάος". Χάος was considered to be the fundamental building blocks of our world, and is said to be what the very gods themselves spawned from.

Edit: inb4everyonethinksimcrazyforbelievinginmagic

You are pretty crazy. Like Alan Moore.




There's also a pretty huge level of paranoia coming off from some people in this thread.

Perhaps we can focus less on why we hate the way things are, and more on what solutions are available? I think this would be more helpful, and less likely to get the thread closed.

Also, inb4 Michael Jackson eating poporn.

Ok, Clearly both sides (aka Admins and Players alike) need to step back from the thread. Lock it up, whatever but dear gods everyone just take a damn step back from this thread. Go grab a shower, pet your rock, drink some wine. Give things a good, long thought before coming back and lets try and talk like we're all civilized human beings capable of decent conversation without degrading into finger pointing, he said she said.

The best rulers are scarcely known by their subjects;
The next best are loved and praised;
The next are feared;
The next despised:
They have no faith in their people,
And their people become unfaithful to them.

When the best rulers achieve their purpose
Their subjects claim the achievement as their own.
Tao Te Ching, Verse 17, "Rulers"

No, I ain't really going nowhere with that.

Whooaaaaaa, that sounds a lot like how Gaudiguch is supposed to be!!!!!1!

This thread's getting sad. I'm thinking Estarra honestly gave you guys some basic RP and leadership advice on how to balance Gaudiguch with the half that wants to lead the city and the half that is "FREEDOM!" and you've all become persecuted martyrs. Do what you want, impose some laws, and give them the right spin to please the "FREEDOM!" people. They're not laws, they're guidelines to a better party. Have the one rule and then explain what actions specifically go against that one rule.