Check yourselves now, before this thread is lost in this web of lies and deceit.

I approve of Talan's suggestion. It not only would save headaches for those who want to work for Gaudiguch and the stress of being expected to do anything for those who just want to sit around and be silly, it also fits the roleplay of the city. The goofballs would be the superficial 'party' layer while the clan and the people in it would be the real power in the city, working around, behind and beneath the silliness. The not so secret, secret society that runs things.

Whew, I thought you'd never show up.

Point Eventru at thread
You point an uber sparkly ring towards the posts, and sparks fly out of it.
There is no logic in that direction.
The sparks quickly fizzle out as the spell fails.

You might have to run that risk. Every city is to a point run by someone's clique. I still think the biggest issue is that Gaudi is just running with a bigger ratio of workers to idiots. I'm also not sure how to work around it without alienating some people and hoping that those who are trying to make it better can withstand the pressure and hold onto control.

I'll honestly buy Gaudiguch a new clan if it will be deeded to the city, made secret, and used for that idea, that people of a certain rank or whatever who show that they are working for Gaudiguch's benefit are worthy of being in it.

Edit: Yes, this is a serious offer if Gaudiguch doesn't already have a clan they can use.

The irony of Gaudiguch is that fire needs air to survive and prosper. Perhaps if the citizenry accepts some measure of intelligence and logic that Hallifax seems to be doing well with, then they'd be able to get past these issues and grow as a group.

Oh sorry, that wasn't towards you. I should have been more specific. From my understanding people were complaining that Kalin's clique is oppressive or some such thing and whining about that. I agree with what you said.

I've seen "Kalin's clique", and besides Aiyana being a bit gruff, I've seen no oppression. The only oppression is the fact that people think Gaudiguch citizens should basically be able to do whatever they want.

I don't see Kalin having a problem with that, but he wants people to have common sense and decency. I'm somewhat sure he wants people to try and work to improve their lives, instead of "Let's hope things fall out of the sky and land in our laps!"

Then its most likely a combination of jealousy or blind rebellion(or IC contempt?) that creates all this convoluted drama. Love is rich in both honey and venom. I know with Jhagar, some people try really hard to get in and other people get annoyed that they can't be part of it.

^^

For the most part everyone in Gaudiguch is free to do as they please, but there are always going to be lines and when those lines are crossed there will be consequences.

The real issue is a few people have raged so loudly and twisted the facts with their friends, and pulled the "but he is Gregori" card so many times that they gain credibility both with the Administration and other players. They have done this to the point that the only thing Gaudiguch leaders have left to say is "I would say something about that there going on, but I am worried Administration will get involved now"

A city cannot function when the leadership is afraid that some vocal minority is going to scream to the Administration and bring down wrath from above.

I now wish to make a clan called 'Web of Lies and Deceit', and then immediately transfer it to Kalin

I think it would be more fitting for Viravain. Just sayin webs and all.

I do too! Kalin's gonna wind up with like six clans out of this thread.

Next person who drags insane stalkerishness back into the thread gets a tempban!

Anarchy means lack of authority.
The suffix chy is power, ana is without.

Theoretically, it's a state where you have absolute liberity without the implication of disorder. You have all the freedom you want as long as it doesn't encroch on their freedom. You have the right to say you, and the other person has the right to say you back. It is a state though that Cannot survive in war. It will be very very hard to imagine that a state of anarchy can survive unless they have a mutual understanding and nationalistic feelings. The problem is you won't have a regular standing army.

There are not alot of anarchies in the world. The one I know is Cristiania in Copenhagen, and it will not work with large populations. You need a small group of people with a controlled population which will destroy the idea of anarchy of itself, because you will have so many factors which will lead to the dissolution of the state, oxymoron ha. The more people there are, the more chances there are going to be inequalities, there Is a regulation, but it's done by the people.


It is so democratic that you cannot call it chaos. It is very very hard, impossible even to achieve it along mortals. You always need a basic law. For example, you all have your freedom, it is a law, and you need someone to enforce that law, which goes against first idea. It can exist for a short amount of time, or a very small amount of people.

It is almost impossible to achieve a commune without a small population with it's own resources of food and such. That way you have no reliance on the outside world, and they can help themselves. They should have no money, and everything should be put in commune usage. Valuable resources should be given equally. Luxury and property usually means that there is a social classification and should not exist.


Now for a solution you can have a council regulated by the people that regulates the army and police. Say for instance there is 100,000 people that's needed for the army, out of 1 million. Every month, the people shift. the police only come where freedom is encroached.

OR make the entire population a standing army. If something goes wrong, if everyone puts freedom to the side and stands up, they protect the community. if there is no community, there is no freedom.

Now during times of raid and war, there is no obligation to join an attacking force, but there should be an obligation to join the defending force. If you don't you get penalized, exiled or what. If you wish to join the city, you must pay a little price of full price of being part of the city's defense force. If gaudi wants to attack, you have the freedom to say no. But if you say no to defence, then you are going against someone elses freedom to live and are breaking rule number 1.

If you want to be a citizen of this city you have full rights and liberties for giving your sword in time for need. That's the only obligation so everyone enjoys living in a society that is completely free. So when someone tells you to defend the city, and you say no, you get banned, pay taxes for things the community needs, or get kicked out. Because otherwise you are saying you want to leech off the city and it's freedoms. You cannot get something out of nothing, which is a law of life. There is no such thing as a free meal. People have paid and will pay.

Egh, Good luck.

Actually, the "archy" is about leadership, from Greek archon, I think...

Actually, the greek word was Arkhos, but yes. The origin of 'anarchy' is 'anarkhos', which became 'anarchia' in latin and eventually 'anarchy' in english, 'an' meaning 'without' and arkhos, meaning 'leader' - arkhos being the greek form of 'archon', I do believe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Chri...ks_and_ramparts

This is Christiania in Denmark's page, if you guys want to get more information. Also have a few friends that have been petitioning to join for a few years now to join, and can give a little more information about it.

I don't really see Gaudiguch as an anarchist community, I think its more deeply based in Alister Crowley's writings and the idea of "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", but it would be interesting to see Hallifax which is a Russian Communism organization go against a True Communism org.

As for "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", it actually implies a good deal of self-control and hard work. Everyone has their true will and is supposed to discover this will within themselves. Then, once a person found this pre-ordained will they were supposed to follow it to its destiny. One could easily be wrong and still be ruled by "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" if what they did was not in accordance to their Will. Crowley was contradictory at times (all the time) in his teachings but generally if everyone followed the one true law there would be no conflict. Every Will is on its own path. There is no reason for them to ever collide or go against each other. The One Law frees you from every other rule, generally considered the taboos of modern society, but it holds you mercilessly to the One Law. If you go against it then you are wrong in the almost gravest of ways because you are interfering with another's true Will. If Gaudiguch is designed around the law of Thelma then it is a city of both absolute freedom and absolute responsibility.

Some of Crowley's contradictions have been argued out as being multi-layered too. On the lower level the One Law gave you the rules for interacting with others. You are to follow your Will and allow them to follow theirs. On the higher level there is no distinction between individual Wills. Everyone is connected in a perfect movement of the spheres. By all being in tune with their Wills and their true individual nature they can see the Will of all and see how each one moves without interfering or upsetting the path of the other. At true enlightenment there is no distinction between the individual and the whole.

(I apologize to anyone who does follow any of Crowley's teachings. My knowledge is base and I kind of consider him an idiot. An interesting idiot but an idiot none the less. It is more then likely that I've gotten something wrong.)

Edit: My big point here is that Gaudiguch can have laws that fall under the One Law. Guidelines to enlightenment of ones true will and protection to the will of others from the unenlightened.