I don't think this is the kind of solution people are looking for.

well guess what, given their current society, without a large spark they won't change. When was the last time the city was raided on prime? The city has currently
A) no major source of income (village)
A problem forming a stable government
C) almost every single problem listed in previous posts minus the flaming.

And they cannot do something as they are now, because it would break the rule number one. They need to be attacked, set up in a different light, and allowed to revert back with new changes. Sure, there can be other options, but anarchy cannot exist without an army. It cannot, will not, or ever. People have to take force together to defend, and it cannot be only one a few heads, otherwise that is a division of classes and breaking anarchy.

So think about it. We have a nation that is going under inner turmoils. My city is growing, and is at war with Gaudi. for us, right now would be an excellent time to seize the opportunity and annex Gaudiguch, and set it up in our image. And when Gaudi takes from us our resources that we are using to make our annexed state better, they will throw us out, declaring themselves the Neo-anarchists or something, and set up a new city post Hallifax's takeover. RP wise, it would work. And we can take things here, the solutions mind, and place them in, so you don't have people running saying their freedom is being hurt.

Because if one person says no to us, he would be backslapped and thrown to the dogs in saying that to his conquerers. IT would breed hatred of our city, and would be the stepping stones to an accelerated revolt.

I love hearing the solutions of "Toss out the only people actually doing anything in the city and elect the people who don't do anything because they might feel happier if they have the job."




Now how about solutions for the people who are actually working in the city to deal with the people who are just causing trouble in the city.

I'm thinking it must've been a joke suggestion anyway.

Cause, seriously, how would forcing people, who're already screaming loud enough to draw the attention of the Admin because they're being forced to follow a few rules, to defend whether they want to or not, settle the situation down any?

I still think the clan idea is the best one offered so far. Have a clan, invite anyone who seems productive, leave the rest out to skip around doing whatever they like. Everyone's happy. Folks who want to contribute, get to contribute in an environment that fosters contribution (the clan), folks who want to just lay about and be silly get to lay about and be silly without being bothered by people wanting them to be productive. The clan is the hidden powerbase of behind the scenes manipulators while the goofballs are the surface level partiers, causing the rest of the Basin to underestimate Gaudiguch.

Because you have to remember rule number 1 in Gaudi. You can have your freedoms, as long as they do not overbear into another person's freedom.

MEANING: You cannot say no to defending your city from attack, because you are overstepping someone else's right to freedom. If you don't defend your city, your city is taken over, then YOU WILL HAVE NO MORE FREEDOM. So it is vital to follow rule number 1 and defend your city at all costs, because if you don't, your freedom is gone.

Now if they scream and then kick them out, because they broke rule number one. If they hang around gaudi and when are asked to leave don't, enemy them. If they slander you kill them.

Because you have to remember rule number 1 in Gaudi. You can have your freedoms, as long as they do not overbear into another person's freedom.

MEANING: You cannot say no to defending your city from attack, because you are overstepping someone else's right to freedom. If you don't defend your city, your city is taken over, then YOU WILL HAVE NO MORE FREEDOM. So it is vital to follow rule number 1 and defend your city at all costs, because if you don't, your freedom is gone.

Now if they scream and then kick them out, because they broke rule number one. If they hang around gaudi and when are asked to leave don't, enemy them. If they slander you kill them.

What's with this anarchist city stuff? Since when is Gaudiguch an anarchist city anyway?

What's with this anarchist city stuff? Since when is Gaudiguch an anarchist city anyway?

But then it's no longer an anarchist city if that rule was broken, and then it's another kind of ruling city, meaning that they should take away the anarchist name and become a totally new government style.

Because that rule of an army is the follow-up to the one rule in times of war. And we are at war, so yeah.

Not even pseudo-anarchist society without that rule

You are quite correct, I didn't take the suggestion seriously. Why? because it was a stupid suggestion based not on solving the problem, because it wouldn't solve the problem in the least. It would just hand the problem off to someone else, but instead based on "you are gregori, i am biased, you should step down"

It would solve the problem because the problem in essence is that the perception of Kalin makes him an ineffectual leader. Again perception = reality. You desire laws and structure, but you arent able to enact them because of how you are percieved.

From what it sounds like, this is a situation where a clique might be well employed, provided your standards for entry into it are limited to a. not deliberately annoying and b. attempt to be helpful. Get it a clan, keep it ic of course, and use this clan channel as your ct. Develop your rules and your culture there, amongst people who understand that there must be some, as well as leaders to make the decisions, and won't fight the very notion of it. Freely welcome anyone who is remotely keen.

Ignore the rabble coming from outside as best as you can. Let them act like fools, just tune them out as much as you're able. Accept that there is going to be some degree of idiocy in the org. After all, not everyone who indulges in the various vices featured in Gaudiguch will come out enlightened - some will just come out as druken sluts and blithering morons, and that's fine. I don't claim to know much about how things work in Gaudiguch, but from the outside looking in, it seems like there would be several veils of mystery to lift. So make the first one, 'where do you find the good people?'

You won't be able to eliminate all the drama this way, but at the very least you might be able to raise the level of the argument to what is right for Gaudiguch, as opposed to what is right for me, and me, and me, and me, right now! You will not be able to get everyone on the same page, but at least you will have a place where everyone is reading the same book.

As far as getting along in the new-city group, you might need to be a bit forgiving. While some people are born idiots, other people can learn from negative experiences and shouldn't be perennially excluded if they've shown they can. If they even try, they are the kind of people you want to work with.

Since this seemed to be an honest plea for advice, that's mine.