That's only bad if you still had to get all 120 million essence yourself. With lessons you need to farm the gold, buy the expensive credits, then learn. I would rather sit in the same spot for 12 hours and get to trans something. But that's the lazy in me.

You basically do.

As someone pointed out earlier, 1.2-1.3 billion essence is the amount people have to donate for you to have enough to trans. Let's use esteem as an example. Each full item gives 65535 essence. Since the cult trickle is 8.7%, that's about 5700 per. That's roughly 20000 items. Assume 100% is attainable in 1.5 hours. That's 30000 man hours of work. Or in other words, it would take one person 1300 days. It would take a cult the size of the active population of Gaudiguch (50) on a good day 26 days. Of non stop 24 hour influencing.

Let's pretend it only takes 1 hour of work to fill an item. 16 days. 30 minutes. 8 days.

Compare to transing a skill. Buy credits. Wait 5 minutes. Convert. Learn. Done.

Transing veneration isn't a matter of sitting in place for 12 hours and just learning as the essence flows in. The essence couldn't possibly flow in fast enough.

Sure, if that's exactly how it worked, that's what you'd have. Except cult leaders can give their personal essence to the cult, particularly for learning.

I mean, if this is such a huge complaint, we can certainly roll it back where it was only the cult leader! I wasn't aware this was such an atomic change that was going to herald such complaints.

Certainly, if you do not want to put in the effort, do not become a cult leader! It was a change made to -supplement- the cult leader's learning, -not- comprise the entirety of it. That's like saying 'You can bash your way to omnitrans just using gold and buying credits!'. You certainly can! Good luck, it's a looong road, but you certainly can.

I assumed we were talking about the old Ascendance not Veneration.

Old Ascendance was WORSE. You HAD to earn your own essence. You couldn't even rely on tithing from your cult.

Oh relax. No need to get your panties tied in a knot.

Anyways, 1.2 billion essence is a pretty ridiculous amount. I'd hope the trans skill is like some mind-blowingly flashy, super great move. But then I'm guessing it probably isn't.

I'm aware, and I'm not complaining. I'm pointing out that transing Veneration is more involved than "sit in the same spot for 12 hours and get to trans something" in response to Aicuthi's comments.

Yeah... and it's not meant to happen overnight, either. Part of the joy of being in a cult, I imagine, is building up to that point where your leader is trained and the cult is in full swing.

Out of curiosity, why was the offerings dropped from 10% to 8.7%? When people offered for my cult, it was a straight 10%

I pulled 8.7 from an earlier post somewhere. I know someone (Nariah?) wondered why it wasn't just bumped up to 10. Maybe it did? Or are you saying that they earlier were 10, and then you checked later and it turned into 8.7?

EDIT:

I'm just refering to my old cult, it was definitely a straight 10%, so it seems weird it would drop to 8.7%

Interesting. Not sure what happened. I wonder if it's pulling cults before it's pulling other modifiers (I'll look). My cults might be getting jipped! *panic*







Edit: Oops! I put the modifier in -after- it added the essence, but -before- it logged it. So my cults are getting 10% of the essence offered, it's just recording, but not actually using, the right amount to listofferings.

Yeah cult essence before was 10% of the offered.

Still is. My order was just getting jipped on offerings. It's fixed on the live server now!

How is playing the waiting game a good thing exactly? Veneration growth is already slowed down by the huge amounts of essence needed to attain trans. The actual learning requires you to NOT play the game at all for (if Esano's math is correct) 666 minutes. Instead, all you do is run an AFK script while reading a book. I can't see the value in that.

You get to read a book!

It's rude to call my cults' custom learn messages 'books'. I'm not that verbose.

I hate to tell you this, but after reading your custom messages 2x last night, I promptly triggered it and stopped looking at them.

Adding an IC day time limiter on Even-Handed Blessing will outright kill its desirability considering its limited effects. It's a heal of 15% to health and a chance for 1-2 afflictions (most likely 1) cured to everyone in the room (not just allies). The spammability is an issue, but adding in a 4s or so equilibrium or so will balance it well enough to stop it from being too good in any situation.

And BreathofLife needing a corpse is manageable, though I still wish for a ranged rez (needing a corpse) for I am lazy like this. I've aired out my Gift issues enough to sound like a broken record, though I wouldn't mind hearing if I should bother continuing harping about it or move on since there're other things to be changed instead.

Also, have the Death Aura and PurityofSoul stuff been tweaked? Think plenty of people are wondering what exactly happens when you have souls/rezs in your aura and you turn it on.