Xenthos2010-08-12 22:05:31
QUOTE (Xiel @ Aug 12 2010, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Adding an IC day time limiter on Even-Handed Blessing will outright kill its desirability considering its limited effects. It's a heal of 15% to health and a chance for 1-2 afflictions (most likely 1) cured to everyone in the room (not just allies). The spammability is an issue, but adding in a 4s or so equilibrium or so will balance it well enough to stop it from being too good in any situation.
And BreathofLife needing a corpse is manageable, though I still wish for a ranged rez (needing a corpse) for I am lazy like this. I've aired out my Gift issues enough to sound like a broken record, though I wouldn't mind hearing if I should bother continuing harping about it or move on since there're other things to be changed instead.
Also, have the Death Aura and PurityofSoul stuff been tweaked? Think plenty of people are wondering what exactly happens when you have souls/rezs in your aura and you turn it on.
And BreathofLife needing a corpse is manageable, though I still wish for a ranged rez (needing a corpse) for I am lazy like this. I've aired out my Gift issues enough to sound like a broken record, though I wouldn't mind hearing if I should bother continuing harping about it or move on since there're other things to be changed instead.
Also, have the Death Aura and PurityofSoul stuff been tweaked? Think plenty of people are wondering what exactly happens when you have souls/rezs in your aura and you turn it on.
Breath of Life is fine (given that it can't be used off-EQ or off-balance) if it has the regular casting cost on it.
Me being able to cast it 100 times in 0.1s is not so fine.
Eventru2010-08-12 22:11:49
QUOTE (Xiel @ Aug 12 2010, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Adding an IC day time limiter on Even-Handed Blessing will outright kill its desirability considering its limited effects. It's a heal of 15% to health and a chance for 1-2 afflictions (most likely 1) cured to everyone in the room (not just allies). The spammability is an issue, but adding in a 4s or so equilibrium or so will balance it well enough to stop it from being too good in any situation.
Can certainly consider that. Can also consider upping the benefit.
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And BreathofLife needing a corpse is manageable, though I still wish for a ranged rez (needing a corpse) for I am lazy like this. I've aired out my Gift issues enough to sound like a broken record, though I wouldn't mind hearing if I should bother continuing harping about it or move on since there're other things to be changed instead.
The original intent was a corpse-rezz, same-room, with a pretty low but scaling essence cost. Similarly, avatar rezz was removed (If it wasn't woops, but it will be). I don't think you will see any 'long range' rezzes outside of Moon Covens and trans harmony.
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Also, have the Death Aura and PurityofSoul stuff been tweaked? Think plenty of people are wondering what exactly happens when you have souls/rezs in your aura and you turn it on.
I've not had a chance to look at the bugs, but last time I tested them (it's been a while) they were working fine. Though it sounds like the cap on their counters isn't working.
When they're on, your prompt-power is refreshed from souls/rezzes instead of power from your reserves. Effectively, it's half your reserves (I think, 100 souls = 100 power, and the cap is 100, I think). It's really been a while since I've looked at them (they were among the first things coded), so I'll need to peek at them tonight.
Unknown2010-08-12 22:18:09
-I agree with Xiel that making even-handed blessing only have a limitation of once or twice an IC day will just make sure no one would want to use it. Adding a 4s balance cost whenever it's used should be enough to balance it.
-I'm fine with the corpse rez skill to require the body, but can you consider allowing a soul rez option if you (the ascendant) go to the soul? Everyone and their mother already has corpse destroy abilities.
-Heh, good luck with collecting 'rez' points to use the aura. Do the saved souls/rezzes transfer over through logout / stay forever if not used? That'd be more bearable.
-I'm fine with the corpse rez skill to require the body, but can you consider allowing a soul rez option if you (the ascendant) go to the soul? Everyone and their mother already has corpse destroy abilities.
-Heh, good luck with collecting 'rez' points to use the aura. Do the saved souls/rezzes transfer over through logout / stay forever if not used? That'd be more bearable.
Gregori2010-08-12 22:29:15
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Aug 12 2010, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Everyone and their mother already has corpse destroy abilities.
Not everyone! Though I wouldn't put it passed my mother, evil woman that she is.
Unknown2010-08-12 22:30:52
I do think everyone deserves a grief tool like corpse destroy. So put behead in combat.
Edit: Rag reminded me that now everyone can buy a font. So hey, 400 credits for corpse destroying, get on that.
Edit: Rag reminded me that now everyone can buy a font. So hey, 400 credits for corpse destroying, get on that.
Sior2010-08-12 22:32:54
Please keep the constructive comments coming. We already have a lot of tweaks in the pipeline.
Xiel2010-08-12 22:33:05
As above, if we can rez someone from a soul (considering people snipe corpses just to offer them) even if the Ascendant has to go to the soul would be great. Likewise with the question of if souls/rezs stay through log/death, since it'd definitely bite into the desire for the skills if those go away.
Is KnowledgeAwareness meant to have that Seek pre-req just to scry people from places other than Havens? That's another question of mine too, and likewise with the state of DistantPerceptions. Is it just a line of sight Eavesdrop or is it actually Omniscience back?
Is KnowledgeAwareness meant to have that Seek pre-req just to scry people from places other than Havens? That's another question of mine too, and likewise with the state of DistantPerceptions. Is it just a line of sight Eavesdrop or is it actually Omniscience back?
Xenthos2010-08-12 22:43:10
Corpse destruction is all over the place these days, so a way to soulrez is pretty important (especially if you are removing Avatar rez). It's prevalent enough that people will run into the Kepheran hives to grab and destroy bodies of people who aren't even enemies, just for the offerings (as an example).
So, let it work if you have the body for 35k, and if you do it without the body (requiring the soul in front of you), have it count as if you just did two bodies (increment the counter by two). Takes more essence, ups the cost considerably, etc. At least it is an option. And the artifact exists as an essence-free alternative which requires no supernumerary weights or essence costs to purchase.
Also, just as a note, Avatar rez was the only way to revive an Ascendant without the body (since the soul immediately moves off to a room that nobody else can get to with dying), which means that Ascendants still wouldn't be able to be rezzed by this if it was made same-room-with-soul-only; they'll be back to wait 9 minutes or use 250k essence (which I think is what's intended anyways).
So, let it work if you have the body for 35k, and if you do it without the body (requiring the soul in front of you), have it count as if you just did two bodies (increment the counter by two). Takes more essence, ups the cost considerably, etc. At least it is an option. And the artifact exists as an essence-free alternative which requires no supernumerary weights or essence costs to purchase.
Also, just as a note, Avatar rez was the only way to revive an Ascendant without the body (since the soul immediately moves off to a room that nobody else can get to with dying), which means that Ascendants still wouldn't be able to be rezzed by this if it was made same-room-with-soul-only; they'll be back to wait 9 minutes or use 250k essence (which I think is what's intended anyways).
Eventru2010-08-12 22:46:34
Soul rezz is the province of Sacraments, Harmonics and I think moon covens can do it w/ any body (as opposed to just the person's body). Not fond of giving it to everyone, especially when they often come at heavy costs (your life, someone's life, a lot of setup).
Xenthos2010-08-12 22:48:29
QUOTE (Eventru @ Aug 12 2010, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Soul rezz is the province of Sacraments, Harmonics and I think moon covens can do it w/ any body (as opposed to just the person's body).
And also Avatar rez (which is being removed and not replaced, apparently, which is why I'm suggesting it be replaced!)
You'll note that your choices are very organizationally limited.
Eventru2010-08-12 22:49:19
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Aug 12 2010, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And also Avatar rez (which is being removed and not replaced, apparently, which is why I'm suggesting it be replaced!)
It's being replaced with a 35k (and then scaling) cost Ascendant ability.
Xenthos2010-08-12 22:49:46
QUOTE (Eventru @ Aug 12 2010, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's being replaced with a 35k (and then scaling) cost Ascendant ability.
Which doesn't work on souls, so it's not replacing. Avatar rez never required the body.
Unknown2010-08-12 22:52:29
QUOTE (Eventru @ Aug 12 2010, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and I think moon covens can do it w/ any body (as opposed to just the person's body).
Not anymore, as far as I recall. Haven't seen someone revived via resurgem with a dead weevil for a long, long time.
Eventru2010-08-12 22:52:43
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Aug 12 2010, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-Heh, good luck with collecting 'rez' points to use the aura. Do the saved souls/rezzes transfer over through logout / stay forever if not used? That'd be more bearable.
I don't honestly remember off-hand and I'm not in a position to look. It uses their level to accrue points though, so it's fairly easy/quick to accrue them, and any rezz does so.
Gregori2010-08-12 22:53:05
Harmonics has a soul rezz? If anyone shouldn't have a soul rezz it's a city full of scientists, since a soul rezz IMO is more faith. Hence Sacraments and Moon having it. I can see them having a normal need a body rezz, cause science can explain that...
Eventru2010-08-12 22:53:23
QUOTE (Vendetta Morendo @ Aug 12 2010, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not anymore, as far as I recall. Haven't seen someone revived via resurgem with a dead weevil for a long, long time.
Okay, I'll rephrase.
I think they can still resurrect with any other player's corpse.
Xenthos2010-08-12 22:54:04
Keep in mind that Avatar rez is the only soul-rez that Glomdoring or Magnagora have had access to traditionally (I'm not sure how much Gaudiguch has been able to use it thus far, but it's their only option as well). Given how prevalent corpse destruction is these days, it's better to make it more available, not less, IMO.
Soul-rez doesn't impact the penalties from dying in enemy territory, that all applies on the moment of death.
Soul-rez doesn't impact the penalties from dying in enemy territory, that all applies on the moment of death.
Unknown2010-08-12 22:57:38
Why is avatar rezz to be removed? If there's a cult equivalent, I can understand it, but of all the avatar abilities, I'd say it was one of my favorite. Not only was it useful to save the higher-level people from praying, but the whole negligent-wave hand line was just awesome!
Also, veneration costs should be looked at. Especially given that Ascendants lost 2/3 essence for investing in a similar skill, the motivation to invest a large amount of essence just to have it be all for-not is a deterrence. I was excited for the cult things, but the 70mil cost is probably going to take me 6 months to obtain, and then throw in additional costs for learning the skills.... And custom learning messages aren't worth a huge delay, specially when people are going to be AFK when learning anyway.
Two questions:
Can we be inter-"cult"ural? (multiple people in the same cult and even cult leaders in other cults?)
What happens to the POWERS if you lose demigod? I would hope you don't have to reinvest.
Also, veneration costs should be looked at. Especially given that Ascendants lost 2/3 essence for investing in a similar skill, the motivation to invest a large amount of essence just to have it be all for-not is a deterrence. I was excited for the cult things, but the 70mil cost is probably going to take me 6 months to obtain, and then throw in additional costs for learning the skills.... And custom learning messages aren't worth a huge delay, specially when people are going to be AFK when learning anyway.
Two questions:
Can we be inter-"cult"ural? (multiple people in the same cult and even cult leaders in other cults?)
What happens to the POWERS if you lose demigod? I would hope you don't have to reinvest.
Eventru2010-08-12 22:57:45
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Aug 12 2010, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Keep in mind that Avatar rez is the only soul-rez that Glomdoring or Magnagora have had access to traditionally (I'm not sure how much Gaudiguch has been able to use it thus far, but it's their only option as well). Given how prevalent corpse destruction is these days, it's better to make it more available, not less, IMO.
Soul-rez doesn't impact the penalties from dying in enemy territory, that all applies on the moment of death.
Soul-rez doesn't impact the penalties from dying in enemy territory, that all applies on the moment of death.
Sure, and there's a thousand arguments to be had in 'they have it and I don't', and it's not one I want to get into. Sorry.
Unknown2010-08-12 22:58:13
QUOTE (Eventru @ Aug 12 2010, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay, I'll rephrase.
I think they can still resurrect with any other player's corpse.
I think they can still resurrect with any other player's corpse.
Would be nice to get confirmation, but I'm not so sure. I am, however, quite sure Serenwilde has had some inner squabbling over people not being able to resurgem before corpse destruction, so if it does work that way, would be good for them to know.