No luck against bad luck

by Veyrzhul

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Casilu2010-09-01 18:48:49
QUOTE (Xavius @ Sep 1 2010, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm still talking about aeonics.

PS: Still looking for the weapon skill that removes defenses to my passive cure hindering at...oh wait, I don't have one of those.


I was too. Not quite as useful for me.

Also, try to envenom weapon with dulak. That way it makes it even harder to focus mind for ya.
Xavius2010-09-01 18:51:30
QUOTE (casilu @ Sep 1 2010, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was too. Not quite as useful for me.

Also, try to envenom weapon with dulak. That way it makes it even harder to focus mind for ya.

Why're you using focus mind against a Templar?

Anyways, dulak works to stop phlegmatic sipping too, plus comes with another aeon cycle lost. You should be using dulak too, I guess!
Casilu2010-09-01 18:54:16
QUOTE (Xavius @ Sep 1 2010, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why're you using focus mind against a Templar?

Anyways, dulak works to stop phlegmatic sipping too, plus comes with another aeon cycle lost. You should be using dulak too, I guess!


Mental afflictions that you would be giving. Why wouldn't you use focus mind to deal with aeonics?

I do, but I don't already have other command denial skills and I know they all stack nicely.
Geb2010-09-01 18:55:32
QUOTE (Xavius @ Sep 1 2010, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How's foresight + switchfate + futureglimpse + insight/timelessbody compare to Badluck? tongue.gif


Heh, and you have no clue what any of those really do? Let me enlighten you, my good man.

1. Foresight does give dodging, so that one I assume you do know. It also work while we are prone, which is great since we have only 5 dmp and Sentinels have as much dmp as Trackers.

2. Switchfate only works on people in the area who are on the enemy list and are not the one who did the attack. What does that mean? Well it means that you attacking me while I have switchfate up will not fire it on you, nor will it fire if I have no one else on the enemy list who is in the area of the fight. It also means that only the damage done is transfered, the afflictions and wounds still go to the Aeonics user.

3. Futureglimpse has a 20% chance to avoid an affliction and a 50% chance to drop upon avoiding an affliction. So each time it avoids an affliction for us, it has 50/50 chance of dropping or staying a defense.

4. Insight does help with avoiding some mental afflictions, I know it works on stupidity for sure. I have not notice it stop anything like anorexia yet, but I am willing to say it is a possibility that it does. What I do know is that the chances for it stopping an affliction seems to be near the 10 percent range, and as such I rarely notice it stopping any mental afflictions.

5. Timeless body has a 25% chance of stopping Marjoram cured afflictions. So it has a chance to defend against the following: dislocated arms/legs, gashed cheek, mangled tongue, punctured chest, rigormortis, severed ears, sliced open biceps/chest/gut/thighs, weakness, pinched nerve. Some pretty decent things on that list, but outside of dislocated limbs and perhaps rigormortis while crucified, none of them really will get you killed.
Xavius2010-09-01 18:56:03
It makes good sense for Aeonics. Aeonics stops your cure stacking with aeon.

I'm going to just leave you to re-read the thread.

EDIT @Geb: I'm well aware of what they all do (EDITEDIT: except the percentages on insight/timelessbody, but I figured they'd at least be in that ballpark). I see offensive action avoidance stacking well in excess of 33%.
Gregori2010-09-01 18:56:13
QUOTE (geb @ Sep 1 2010, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yet you all can stop to diagnose too. You also have passive abilities going that slow down my attacks like BadLuck and the need to scrub the mucous. It is not like it is hard to detect some of the more powerful afflictions with simple actions either, which I do and as such did not diagnose but once in awhile (mainly to see how many rubies he had on me, and also when I suspected I had the Afraid of the World affliction). Still even outside of that, with your passive and active hindering capabilities, I should have never gotten you to the point I did. If things were starting to get bad for you, the simple solution was to diagnose and see what is wrong.



Not having the lines for any of your gems other than rubies is what got me to that state. Should I run off and start an 8 page thread about how OP you are now? That is your M.O afterall. Not having the proper curing then ragefitting about things. Also, it doesn't matter that you got me with numerous afflictions and stuck aeon. You never had me close to a kill condition, you obviously didn't kill me as we timed out, and I left the room on multiple occasions to cure off the bedevil and afflictions. Since your whole thing was "You suck at curing let's test it" and I -still- outcured your crap with no lines and delayed reactions to events because of no lines, and only a few diagnoses. I would say my bad curing is better than your "amazing offense". Alas, though, you are filled with excuses when your tests blow up in your face so this is no different.

Again though, keep posting, cause all you are doing is showing how OP researchers are and how easy badluck is to overcome, I mean hey look at what you did to me while under badluck, afterall.

Keep on posting Geb, keep on posting.
Casilu2010-09-01 19:00:30
QUOTE (Xavius @ Sep 1 2010, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It makes good sense for Aeonics. Aeonics stops your cure stacking with aeon.

I'm going to just leave you to re-read the thread.


I didn't even read most of the thread, honestly. Why would you go and read 13 pages of ultra-bitter discussion?

Also, if you're not curing aeon, you're doing it wrong. Unless I put up aeonfield in the middle of the fight when you have some nice wounds on the head, there is no way I'm going to do anything but delaying your curing for more than second since there isn't an anorexia poison or anything.
Geb2010-09-01 19:02:46
QUOTE (Gregori @ Sep 1 2010, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not having the lines for any of your gems other than rubies is what got me to that state. Should I run off and start an 8 page thread about how OP you are now? That is your M.O afterall. Not having the proper curing then ragefitting about things. Also, it doesn't matter that you got me with numerous afflictions and stuck aeon. You never had me close to a kill condition, you obviously didn't kill me as we timed out, and I left the room on multiple occasions to cure off the bedevil and afflictions. Since your whole thing was "You suck at curing let's test it" and I -still- outcured your crap with no lines and delayed reactions to events because of no lines, and only a few diagnoses. I would say my bad curing is better than your "amazing offense". Alas, though, you are filled with excuses when your tests blow up in your face so this is no different.

Again though, keep posting, cause all you are doing is showing how OP researchers are and how easy badluck is to overcome, I mean hey look at what you did to me while under badluck, afterall.

Keep on posting Geb, keep on posting.


That is because you are not good and you never were. You are not even competent in your class. Look, whose fault is it that you do not have the lines. Shuyin posted the lines long ago, and yet you still have not updated your system with them. That right there shows a lack of competence. How about the fact that you are a tarot users, but during our spar you did not use tarot at all? You did not entangle me, rub soulless, use the jester, nada. Oh, and how about the fact that you have force, but not once did you use it? There is also the fact that you did not time ectoplasm well along with your passive pet that gives the green mucous (and the mucous cures before the ectoplasm btw), and scrub and cleanse are affected by Badluck. So, the person has a chance of failing on the cleanse cure while both are on them, losing balance not for 3 seconds, but for 6. No, none of it has to do with how poorly you are as a fighter, though like I said before you never were good at combat.
Xavius2010-09-01 19:03:40
QUOTE (casilu @ Sep 1 2010, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't even read most of the thread, honestly. Why would you go and read 13 pages of ultra-bitter discussion?

Why would you ask someone to rehash points from 10-13 pages back? Go read.
Unknown2010-09-01 19:07:07
Man, just imagine the bitching if a Nihilist envoy asked for their demon to give mucus (could easily be a Gorgulu power, too).
Gregori2010-09-01 19:07:16
QUOTE (geb @ Sep 1 2010, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That is because you are not good and you never were. You are not even competent in your class. Look, whose fault is it that you do not have the lines. Shuyin posted the lines long ago, and yet you still have not updated your system with them. That right there shows a lack of competence. How about the fact that you are a tarot users, but during our spar you did not use tarot at all? You did not entangle me, rub soulless, use the jester, nada. Oh, and how about the fact that you have force, but not once did you use it? There is also the fact that you did not time ectoplasm well along with your passive pet that gives the green mucous (and the mucous cures before the ectoplasm btw), and scrub and cleanse are affected by Badluck. So, the person has a chance of failing on the cleanse cure while both are on them, losing balance not for 3 seconds, but for 6. No, none of it has to do with how poorly you are as a fighter, though like I said before you never were good at combat.



I did in fact use tarot. numerous times in fact. Fool and enigma both went off on you, I hit your foresight once, I hit your passive shielding twice, I had paralysis hit me right as I went to fling another time. and I still got 2 cards through under Fool.

If your only arguement is "you suck I am better" then we have been down this road before and you have yet to actually prove anything in that regard. Because again, despite my "obvious sucking and your obvious inability to see when tarot cards hit you" I still walked out of the arena no where near a kill condition from the great and almighty Geb.

So if I am bad... what does that make you?
Xavius2010-09-01 19:07:37
QUOTE (Salvation @ Sep 1 2010, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, just imagine the bitching if a Nihilist envoy asked for their demon to give mucus (could easily be a Gorgulu power, too).

We should upgrade Spawn to do that. Malarious would be proud.
Unknown2010-09-01 19:10:13
QUOTE (Gregori @ Sep 1 2010, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I did in fact use tarot. numerous times in fact. Fool and enigma both went off on you, I hit your foresight once, I hit your passive shielding twice, I had paralysis hit me right as I went to fling another time. and I still got 2 cards through under Fool.

If your only arguement is "you suck I am better" then we have been down this road before and you have yet to actually prove anything in that regard. Because again, despite my "obvious sucking and your obvious inability to see when tarot cards hit you" I still walked out of the arena no where near a kill condition from the great and almighty Geb.

So if I am bad... what does that make you?


Technically, the still doesn't make him any 'less' than you. You weren't near a kill condition, but he wasn't near one either. Since you did not accomplish any more than he did, your competence/incompetence is independent of his competence/incompetence.
Gregori2010-09-01 19:11:52
QUOTE (Salvation @ Sep 1 2010, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Technically, the still doesn't make him any 'less' than you. You weren't near a kill condition, but he wasn't near one either. Since you did not accomplish any more than he did, your competence/incompetence is independent of his competence/incompetence.



I am not the one ragefitting and throwing out 'You suck I am Geb" arguments every time they fail to prove their point. I am just the one laughing at said arguments.
Casilu2010-09-01 19:13:43
QUOTE (Xavius @ Sep 1 2010, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why would you ask someone to rehash points from 10-13 pages back? Go read.


The point was that aeon was impossible to cure and that for the bargain cost of 11 power for all my passives I get nothing that slows down aeon curing even remotely? I'm talking solely as a Sentinel, but if I don't have decent wounds on the head, then there is no way I'm going to be able to stick aeon for much more than a second. Compare that to bad luck which has a chance to stop some offense and some curing and is incurable for a period of time with no setup to stick it and no power cost?

I'm not saying aeon isn't useful. Not at all. All I'm saying is that when we die, there will be a planet for Gaudiguchians and a planet for the Celestians and we'll all be a lot happier.
Geb2010-09-01 19:13:53
QUOTE (Gregori @ Sep 1 2010, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I did in fact use tarot. numerous times in fact. Fool and enigma both went off on you, I hit your foresight once, I hit your passive shielding twice, I had paralysis hit me right as I went to fling another time. and I still got 2 cards through under Fool.

If your only arguement is "you suck I am better" then we have been down this road before and you have yet to actually prove anything in that regard. Because again, despite my "obvious sucking and your obvious inability to see when tarot cards hit you" I still walked out of the arena no where near a kill condition from the great and almighty Geb.

So if I am bad... what does that make you?


Haha, 2 flings. I was wrong, you used tarot twice in the 15 minute we where there. Yes, that is really using Tarot to its fullest, when there is more to it. So my mistake you did use tarot, two times that actually worked. You still show how your tactical thinking is poor at best.
Furien2010-09-01 19:15:12
> You suck, I'm me

(Did I do that right?)
Casilu2010-09-01 19:15:37
QUOTE (Furien @ Sep 1 2010, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
> You suck, I'm me

(Did I do that right?)


No, you need to make it more verbose.
Prav2010-09-01 19:18:34
QUOTE (Gregori @ Sep 1 2010, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would say my bad curing is better than your "amazing offense".

I must have missed where Geb posted claiming Researchers and he had an "amazing offense."

Care to provide a link? I can't find it.
Gregori2010-09-01 19:18:42
Perhaps you missed the part where I said I hit your passive shielding multiple times, your foresight, was paralysed...

Keep on ragefitting and making excuses though. You have still failed to prove anything (other than badluck is manageable, thank you for that) and trying to make me look like a bad combatant doesn't make you look like a good one when you couldn't kill me in 10 minutes wink.gif