I used to get attacked for hunting aslaran by Celestians but maybe that's changed. I don't think Magnagora has ever defended Krokani before but my point still stands that those spots can't compare to undervault.

We should do this. Liching should also get grace.

Yeah, I could go with this.

I'm thinking any skill that brings you back to life should. Seems fair. You shouldn't be able to be killed twice if you use a skill to come back to life.

Does there exist a way to remove Vitae once you've put it up? Because that might be another workaround. While I've personally had a streak of deaths due to dying, lich seed kicking in, dying again, vitae kicking in, dying once more in the undervault tunnels I think there are enough arguments as for why grace = bad idea.

Inquisition would remove it, I think.

Doesn't anymore.

The only change to vitae that I think might be good is to just allow it to be removable in some way (thats not forcable and doesn't involve death)

Same for lichseed and crow rebirth, please!

I'll agree, all skills that bring you back to life should come with an added grace.

I believe lichseed originally did.

It was complained about so much that it was removed.

Let's just skip the next whining stage and not add it back in, hm?

It was probably complained about so much because it was the only one that did. I can't see any complaining if everyone get's it.

Really? You can't?

"I killed them in an enemy territory and they got grace! There was nothing I could do to get rid of them!"

increase the amount of time grace takes to be removed and make it unrenounceable.

I have a suggestion: don't use vitae.

Ok I thought of a third option which is probably more workable. If you are killed in enemy territory you are thrown back to your nexus without grace. Actually what I'd rather do is once you get grace instead of making it unrenounceable how about once grace is added your thrown back to your nexus. That way they where removed and vitae did it's job.

If grace is so insistant, how about a 5-10 second grace? Enough to run away. Not enough to do much else.

that would work too. though I would go with maybe 10-15 seconds.

If vitae gave grace, what possible reason would there ever be to not use it?

Exactly everyone should be using vitae if it gave grace hence being used.

You will get jumped. You will have to deal with it.

At what point did people start to think that the game would be better if we made it more like a one player game? All of this is part of the game, and the more we remove it, the worse off we all will be.