Talan:
Faelings were brought up because they not only have huge charisma, but they have a high sipping bonus. So you hit high charisma naturally and gain 20% ish more sipping? Viscanti get 10/12 cha and sip for 80-90% of a normal sip. So you are weaker and cannot recover. Just add 2 charisma, drop the taint regens, we really do not care, and add a racial debating buff to help try to make them on par in terms of damage since they dont have the stamina for longer term debates.
About Viscanti:
Their dexterity and charisma prevent them from being good all around races for any guild. They do still suffer sipping penalties, so they are not without weakness, the regen as said is redundant and can be removed easily enough.
About Aslaran:
An illithoid or kephera get a speed bonus to the weapon which is comparable to aslaran but with better stats. If you are comparing Sahmiam (aslaran) vs me (human or illithoid) you will get flawed data because he has a better chain, and damage mod runes. We are comparable in most every aspect otherwise. As Ixion said I think the +str/dex makes sense given how he explained it, they were squishier than some races but offense made up for it.
About nerfing humans:
A flat -1 to all stats seems a bit much, unless you want to add something else to help them cope. I do agree with a reduction if we want to lower the peak (that is, best stats with no weaknesses), but most races have their own reasons for being used. When you cannot find the reason outside of rp you know the race needs fixing.
Taurian:
I was serious about the +dex and possible adroitness while raged, the idea being you are preparing to charge. The maze thing is basically a joke, although I could see them with racial tackle or barge (named charge) to give them something to play with
Merian:
They seem bad but they do get alot of auto correction, merian get +13 stats and -5 to go warrior in total. I do not think any other race even comes close.
Faelings were brought up because they not only have huge charisma, but they have a high sipping bonus. So you hit high charisma naturally and gain 20% ish more sipping? Viscanti get 10/12 cha and sip for 80-90% of a normal sip. So you are weaker and cannot recover. Just add 2 charisma, drop the taint regens, we really do not care, and add a racial debating buff to help try to make them on par in terms of damage since they dont have the stamina for longer term debates.
About Viscanti:
Their dexterity and charisma prevent them from being good all around races for any guild. They do still suffer sipping penalties, so they are not without weakness, the regen as said is redundant and can be removed easily enough.
About Aslaran:
An illithoid or kephera get a speed bonus to the weapon which is comparable to aslaran but with better stats. If you are comparing Sahmiam (aslaran) vs me (human or illithoid) you will get flawed data because he has a better chain, and damage mod runes. We are comparable in most every aspect otherwise. As Ixion said I think the +str/dex makes sense given how he explained it, they were squishier than some races but offense made up for it.
About nerfing humans:
A flat -1 to all stats seems a bit much, unless you want to add something else to help them cope. I do agree with a reduction if we want to lower the peak (that is, best stats with no weaknesses), but most races have their own reasons for being used. When you cannot find the reason outside of rp you know the race needs fixing.
Taurian:
I was serious about the +dex and possible adroitness while raged, the idea being you are preparing to charge. The maze thing is basically a joke, although I could see them with racial tackle or barge (named charge) to give them something to play with
Merian:
They seem bad but they do get alot of auto correction, merian get +13 stats and -5 to go warrior in total. I do not think any other race even comes close.
I'm beginning to realize how spoiled I am as a Kephera. (Gasp)
I never really noticed just how badly caster bashing sucked in the past. Like, really, this is terrible. My INT feels so unnecessary I can probably go Loboshigaru or mKeph with actual improvement in terms of efficiency. I really want to, too, except Lucidian racial emotes are sexy.
On Alianna, I can scrape by with middling XMagic and Resilience skill and still take damage halfway decently, between my DMP, larger Demi health pool and the consequential sip bonus. As a lucidian? Good god, 800 damage from a roc? What are you, a max-linked astral bull?
I never really noticed just how badly caster bashing sucked in the past. Like, really, this is terrible. My INT feels so unnecessary I can probably go Loboshigaru or mKeph with actual improvement in terms of efficiency. I really want to, too, except Lucidian racial emotes are sexy.
On Alianna, I can scrape by with middling XMagic and Resilience skill and still take damage halfway decently, between my DMP, larger Demi health pool and the consequential sip bonus. As a lucidian? Good god, 800 damage from a roc? What are you, a max-linked astral bull?
QUOTE (Furien @ Oct 20 2010, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On Alianna, I can scrape by with middling XMagic and Resilience skill and still take damage halfway decently, between my DMP, larger Demi health pool and the consequential sip bonus. As a lucidian? Good god, 800 damage from a roc? What are you, a max-linked astral bull?
This really, honestly isn't all that surprising. Low skill level characters with low DMP get hit pretty hard by the rocs in that new area - a krokani alt of mine actually took more damage from them than from a gorgog (though that probably has more to do with resists/weaknesses). And if you're a researcher, then that's double ew - researchers get barely any DMP at all. They have a terrible time bashing as any race.
QUOTE (Sahmiam Mes'ard @ Oct 20 2010, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Demigod faeling, I imagine, can get some pretty high DPS as well. Perhaps it's inferior to aslaran given the inferior strength even with buffs, but I do know that faeling can produce some amazing stuff as a monk.
Faeling was groovy as far as I was concerned, but aslaran was better with the same artifacts, blessings, and buffs, excepting the domoth blessings, since I couldn't move those off of faeling. Domoth blessings won't necessarily stay with faelings forever. No faeling monk is ever going to get more than 14 STR, and that is noticeable. No other race is going to have a balance bonus equal to or better than an aslaran's. Do we really need to make aslarans even stronger, on top of that?
Won't comment regarding illithoid, since I didn't play test them. I admittedly like being able to influence whenever I want too much.
Something else to keep in mind: are suggestions being made because the race really needs it, disregarding what other races get or might be buffed with, or are suggestions being made under the assumption that other changes go in? Let's say that the decision is not made to give taurian, orclach, dwarves, viscanti, or other like races more DEX, but aslaran get the extra STR/DEX anyways. Was it really needed, even strictly from the warrior PoV? I think this is an important distinction.
