I'm surprised that the gnomes just let you have domoth battles on their bubble anyway. Poor Skritch is probably overloaded with paperwork after your shenanigans.

I'm not saying Serenwilde is weak, except that we lack determination and coordination a lot of the time.

All I'm really saying is that Orders play too large a part in non-Order conflicts.

Serenwilde has exactly one active god, and he's still getting up to speed, which is rather difficult when his shrines are being torn down as fast as they're being raised.

People have other things they'd like to be doing, some of them not involving combat and others not even involving Lusternia. Man, I wish I didn't need a full-time job...

Yeah this sometimes. I just don't have the time to build the endless essence and esteem piles that people like Inagin seem to have, or you could be sure I'd be a much, much bigger pain then to deal with. I usually have a hard time just getting enough gold to keep all my curatives filled.

I'm not quite sure what you mean. With Order Affinity, it seems like the Gods are suppose to be a part of their org, which means during domoths and things that help the city, well I just don't see why they shouldn't be involved. Maybe I'm alone here in thinking that Glom's interests coincide with it's Gods' interests.

Also, Glom gods are pretty silent these days too, I didn't even get a favor before Ascension

edited because it didn't even make sense to me when I read it the first time

I wish Glomdoring had an active god (Active as in we can see and feel).

You aren't the only person with a job, dear. Most of Celest's main players are 25+ and yes, have full time jobs. Some are lucky enough to be able to play from their desks. *la'smirk* As you pointed out, SW has plenty of demis and a lack of determination. That's the problem. Not shrines, not even bubblixes so much as SW's lack of drive. I see Lehki trying and he could probably use more positive and aggressive assistance from his co-ascendant.

I guess I've always thought of Orders as a form of religious roleplay, minus the combat. I don't want to see Orders involved in conflict of any form, personally, but the genie is already out of the bottle and wrecking up the place.

Now I don't know what Inagin does to have piles of esteem, but Glom's esteem gathering isn't done by having one or few people just constantly influencing 24/7.

Determination is a big part of fights too, continuing to try even after a huge trouncing speaks a lot of the guys who died. Plus it feels great if you do win.

Inagin/Celest has stockpiles of esteem because the city buys from citizens who influence. There are a large number of influencers in Celest, so the esteem stacks up.


There was that one gnome rolling his eyes at us during that last battle.

I definitely like the religious RP part of Orders more than the combat part. It just makes no sense for Orders to have such a large effect outside of organisational territory, affinity or not.

I agree with Shuyin. It does feel really, really good to win as underdogs. I expect to lose every fight we get into, so when we win, I'm genuinely surprised and happy for SW. I died a few times on Nil, but I still found it really fun (except for that last minute-lagfest). What has really got me lately is the non-coms who tell us we're not doing good enough. This is really a personal issue, but it has taken a lot more of the enjoyment out of defending than losing constantly ever has.

I wish somebody had tried saying that to Lehki in game. =/

The idea that success just magically happens due to mechanics or luck is sheer bs and as long as that attitude is prominent, you'll spend more time cursing the universe then doing anything particularly productive. Oddly enough, I'm pretty sure no one is honestly out to get in RL so if you just ask for some ideas you would likely find plenty of people willing to help even if they'd just as soon kill you as look at you in game.

Thank you for completely missing the point.

But, yes, I'm all ears if anyone has constructive and realistic suggestions.

Here's one: Stop relying on Magnagora and Hallifax for defenses and faethorn skirmishes and your own coordination and determination as an org will improve.

If a raid occurs that doesn't involve eight demigods/ascendants, we will?

Personally I only ask them as a last resort if we're really outnumbered.

And then Malarious or some others usually show up anyway and people are like 'gawd there you go crying for mag to help again.'

Hey man, I'm serious.

There's no way to build org coordination and determination so long as you have a safety net. In the end, given that this is Lusternia and we're all jerks, in the end, the only person (org) you can rely on is yourself.

I wish we had 8 demis/ascendants raiding at the same time, then maybe we can give those avatars a shot.

I never call them, but I'm glad when they show up. Alliances have advantages, and they're worthless without some inter-org cooperation. That said, I'm happy to fight with or without them. I suppose others have their own feelings on the subject, but we don't talk about feelings.

I know you are. But I'm just saying a lot of times allies will just show up on their own. Happens with everybody.

Sojiro's hit the nail on the head here, it was never a question of mechanics insofar as it's really an issue of just being able to rely on yourself as an org to trudge on through. If you look back on forum topics, etc, from a year or so ago I think you'd see that Celest was in a very similar situation: wasn't doing so great as an org, leaned heavily on the alliance, etc. And while it took a while to build the city back up to be a decent contender, it wasn't anything magical or metagaming or abused mechanic...it was just pure hard work and determination. (And yes, this is done even while holding full time rl jobs)