Awful reason not to. Just because it disadvantages some players on the opposing side doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.. or else why participate in village revolts, etc?

There's a huge difference between "disadvantaging" some people and killing off hundreds of hours of work in one raid. The fact that instead of just making some skills unavailable until the fleshpot is up, it removes all the accumulated facets/fleshlings on the sphere makes it that much worse than a simple Supermob raid, where you just need to put some essence back and you're good to go.

I still fail to see the reason why you shouldn't do it. Mechanically, you are attacking the enemy's invested resources. The process of restoring flesh is not precisely tedious - in fact, low-rank Illuminati are almost required to do it based off of test requirements. Maybe it is a personal choice or opinion on your part, but if I'm looking to attack/harm an org, fleshpots and spheres or other assorted things on a level of 'devastation' are my first idea for a target.

You're exceedingly misinformed.

You, sir, are a spoilsport.

Has there ever been anything to suggest that killing a sphere or fleshpot didn't reset it to zero?

It's called decency. The game is supposed to be fun. Cleaning up after raid is not fun. I've been on plenty clean up crews after Supernal Raids. Those are not fun.

Eventru: Then what about the Announce newsposts stating that you lose all facets when a sphere is destroyed?

Killing any fleshpot would not hurt the illuminati in any way other than being a pain in the ass to lose the flesh in the pot itself. There are thousands of flesh stockpiled for the illuminati, unless they did something stupid and sold it all off at 1 gold a piece.

Then there isn't much of a point to attack fleshpots and spheres. It doesn't bring your org anything and it doesn't damage the other side very much.

Decency has no place on the battlefield, as cliche as that sounds. People resort to lame stuff all the time - this is just the same thing on a grander scale. Part of the fun in this game is that sort of struggle. Will I be bummed if all the spheres get ganked? Yeah, probably, but I'll accept the incredibly obvious truth of the matter: they were meant to be attacked or killed or harmed. If they were not, they would just be untargetable or immortal mobiles. Or they would not 'exist' as mobiles, just as objects that can be extracted from similar to a Master Crystal in another Iron Realm.

This is a game. There are certain huge differences between "a battlefield" and a game as you put it, and merely because other people do lame stuff does that in no way give you the right to do lame stuff. Challenge and struggle is all part of the fun, but the loss of time invested into fleshpots by killing them is a loss that I find too big.

Even if that were true, the problem here is that many of these actions are affecting people who are not on the battlefield. The presumption is that everyone who plays wants to be on the battlefield all the time, and that presumption is incorrect, despite being frequently cited as if it were revealed wisdom.

I think you're misremembering the announce post. It does do some damage, but it does not strip them to 0. It doesn't look like such as changed (though feel free to find the post and correct me!)

And there is a lot that can be gained from killing fleshpots - it's an integral part of the gaudiguch vs hallifax conflict quest, much like you see in the other orgs.

If you kill a Fleshpot you can do the new and improved Project Crucible. I assume if Gaudiguch kills a Sphere they will be able to do their new and improved Project Paradox or something.

I can do it doesn't mean you should do it.

Lets look at what we were just told, can you turn in spheres and fleshpots like you can with aspects and half-formed? No.
Do the fleshpots/spheres loose all of their thingies? Maybe, Eventru seems to say no, an announce said yes. So maybe.
Would this hurt either guild? Nah, they keep lots of extras around in a stockpile and making the thingies is super simple.
So what does killing a fleshpot/sphere give you? Seems like nothing. No power, doesn't really hurt your enemy in combat, it just gives them the task of bringing it back. Which lets be honest is the lamest and least damaging part of an aspect or half-formed raid.

There is nothing wrong with org damaging raids, they're part of the game. But a fleshpot raid sounds lame. The only thing you get is an inconvenience. Go raid something worthwhile instead.

Edit: Uuugh, Eventru ninja. So there is something you can do with killing them? It better not be like the Hai'Gloh ritual. Then my point still stands. No one should have to deal with things that massively fustrating.

I still want to see one of those getting to much flesh


Also to those saying killing a fleshpot/sphere would not do much. They would increase moral in the org doing it. And I think we can assume there will be a small benefit for Hallifax when a fleshpot is killed, after all all other comparable quests have an advantage.

The aftermath of a cosmic raid like that is not that bad either. with 4 planes with essence and if the attacking org decides to be 'nice' and not hunt down all essence for days on end. It should be up and in it's unable to kill for X time state in no time.

While the announce post doesn't outright state that you lose all facets, it heavily implies either that, a large percentage loss, or loss down to X > 0. No matter though, it is still a pointless loss of time investment. (Especially coupled with everyone at that time complaining that if the spheres and fleshpots got killed and brought to 0, there'd be such a trouble with raising the numbers again, especially for Gaudiguch who at that time got 1 single petal for every entity)

I've nothing against raiding. It can be quite fun to try and take down a demon lord or Superfae. The important part is that there's not too large a clean up. There's a reason we went away from the large amounts of having to do supplicants for symbols after a supernal raid. (And just think when you lost your symbol due to events.)

Frankly, assuming killing a Sphere doesn't take facets down to zero (and even if it did, if we played our cards right) the Institute wouldn't be devastated. We're doing fine on facets/gems as it is, and I haven't even been picking up all of the gem tithes we're entitled to.

So we'd be set back, but it'd be nothing we couldn't recover from, given a bit of time.

You know it takes 50 000 of each gem to reincarnate a sphere?

I'm going to pretend you didn't say that and continue being happy. Because otherwise I'd just have to go on record as pointing out that that's just ridiculous, kthnx.