It's very possible this will change depending on the posts leading to the deadline, but for now:

Vote: Vendetta

The roleclaim along with the (to me) omgus vote for Solanis makes him the prime suspect in my book.

Oh?

Let me re-post the most pertinent posts for you. They are short, so it won't take up much room.







Now, go back and read what I wrote.

Where is the "Oh my God, You Suck"? I have a concise, accurate summary of what was written, as nearly as I can tell, which serves as explanation for my vote.

Well, your justification for voting for him was that "But before you said you kinda trusted my roleclaim, and then you voted for me anyway. Also, you're a lurker who wanted an aggressive stance against lurkers, so you're probably a scum-lurker". Would you have voted for him if he had not voted for you? Judging by your tone, I'd guess no, which puts it in omgus territory in my book.

People, stop voting for Vendetta, I need a response from Gleip as to my offer.

I wouldn't have bothered if he did any of the following before I cast suspicion upon him:

1. Offered any sort of explanation for why he trusted my claim.
2. Agreed, explicitly, with any of the points raised against me, made by the other players.
3. Offered more initial reasoning in his vote post beyond "Oh well, time to vote".

If you find none of that peculiar, then there's no helping it.

I think I would like to vote for no lynch, just because I can't see quite enough to go on. It's probably because I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt, which may get me in trouble in this game. I -think- I trust Vendetta's claim. At least, I don't see any scuminess in it.

Vote: No Lynch

Except the fact that according to that wiki, no lynch is sort of scummy. We stand a chance of getting rid of the Deatheaters if we work to figure out who is who, but not lynching someone leads to night, and probably a townie death.

Hrm. Well, lynching someone also leads to night, and we might lynch a townie. I'm just not sure what else to talk about.

Well, Casilu's given Gleip an interesting offer. Let's see what happens there before proceeding-- while keeping in mind that we're running into our 24 hour deadline!

Gotta say I'm not a fan of Not Lynching. It's not like we'll have much more to go on tomorrow (beyond the people/persons we lose in the night, and how they interacted with others prior to their liquidationnn) - as dangerous as random voting in a game with roles like Harry's and Fudge's may be, if we've got nothing else to go on I'd rather do that just to move things alone, you know?

For purposes of concision, so far suspicions seem to be on the following people for the following reasons:
Vendetta - Claimed with little provocation and claimed a vanilla role and a fairly obscure character;
Gleip - Passionate and argumentative, jumping down people's throats a little;
and Solanis - Switching votes swiftly with little provocation/explanation.

At this point I'm on board with Casilu's plan. Do we have Gleip-age?

Right. Grasping at straws.

Both the above statements are those referred to as personal attacks. The first statement is blatantly false, has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand and does nothing but suggest me as a lurker.

The second statement is misinterpreting my own posts. I do not goad people to go along with me. I challenge people to provide argumentation that is sound and relevant. Gutfeeling is all well and good, but unless your name is Kira, you should be listening less to your gut and more to your brain. And when we have information to work with, don't complain that we don't have information to work with. That is just childish whining.

And Casilu, that idea is frankly moronic. No person in their sane mind would enter such a deal unless they themselves would be scum and know for certain that Vendetta is scum. If not, then you're either scum and sign your own death warrant, or you're a town who unneccessarily endangers town on the slim chance that you're wrong as the end result would be two townies dead and two days gone, instead of one lynched. So end result, no. I will not "enter a bet" with you. I will however speculate that you've got some geas-based powers.

And Lilia, consider this. If we lynch someone today, even if it ends up a lynch based on drawing lots, then we would still have a 1/15 chance of getting a scum. If we vote a no-lynch then we have no shot at all on nailing a scum today, and they get another night to kill of a townie of their choosing.

Ulterior motives. And you have it backwards, no scum would take that bet because they know that Vendetta would come up as town. When you start pushing for someone so aggressively. If you had taken the bet immediately and without hesitation, then I would have known beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are town because no matter the alignment Vendetta came up, I know that scum have to be much more cautious. Recklessness is a town tell. Actively going after the lynch of a scum on day one is a foolish tactic that only the craziest (read: me) would actually try to employ.

Second thing, if you had taken my bet, and Vendetta came up town, then I would have had a chance to figure out who the scum were tomorrow based on who voted for you the most and pushed hardest for the deal since I would have known the truth that you were town, but with that offer, I have three guesses as to your identity. I know there really isn't anything I can do to stop Vendetta's lynch tomorrow, but if he comes up town, then we'll be seeing you tomorrow.

Love,
Casilu

How did I know you were going to say that. The deal you brokered for me is a typical catch 22. Go read up on the trial surrounding Jeanne d'Arc, then prepare a defense for tomorrow.

Go read about classic scum tells. I just caught you on two of them.

No you didn't. You created a catch 22. Don't try to paint it as something it isn't.

Sorry, but that's exactly how you've come across in every game I've seen you play in - quiet and generally to yourself until something really grabs a hold of your attention. When you are aggro town, I also tend to see you having issues with being marked as too aggressive because you can and do lash out at multiple people when there is reason to.

There's not much point in debating this further, since I can only see it decaying into a "No you! No, you! NO, YOU!" line of argument, so I'll leave that be for others to judge.



What was the relevant text I quoted when I said that, again?




You don't see how this can be a borderline-taunt? Sorry, but you walk a terribly fine line - one too fine to so confidently wave away as me working on "gut feeling", particularly in this instance.

More disconcerting than that, however, is that you still don't seem to be paying attention to much else in the rest of the game. I encourage people to keep this in mind as the game progresses, and see how Gleip's behaviour might shift on Day 2.

I also very much encourage you to keep a sharp eye on Solanis' every move. And on the chance that he ends up dead and is revealed scum, it'll be time to raise a red flag on Ssaliss, too, for him crying OMGUS and pushing a lynch when there's hardly much to cry OMGUS over.

For now, however, I would not argue for a No Lynch, or a shift in direction. You may have noticed that I haven't done much to defend myself, and that's because there's probably more use in me dying at this point than allowing me to live.

Consider it. The longer I am allowed to live, the more liable I am to be brought back into discussion when we have fewer chances and fewer opportunities to lynch true scum. And with this, the more likely it is for me to throw off a town victory by being a wasted lynch.

I made myself an easy target, such to the point where most of the game was willing to question it or uncertain of how to handle me. Scum love easy lynches, as it can allow them to make town do their dirty work during the day while they make better use of their nightkill. I can almost promise that one of the people who has a vote on me now is scum, if not more. But since you all do not know I am town for sure, and because it is so early in the game for me to make predictions, I cannot say who. I just want you all to think about it for yourselves.

Naturally, since I've gone and said this, looking at who is voting and who isn't won't matter anymore. Looking at anyone who might choose to suddenly unvote is probably irrelevant too.

You need to know, with certainty, what I am. So go ahead! Vote for me. And have fun on Day 2.

Speaking of votes, what is the current vote count or where was the last one?

No Lynches are almost always a bad idea, yeah. It gives the scum that little edge in the arms race.

Something about Gleip's reasoning and/or posting style for the previous few posts smells a little fishy to me, but that could just be the aforementioned dislike for aggressive posting styles. I'm going to go back and review it more fully later (when I'm not dealing with malevolent bunnies). For the moment, however, our course seems set. Vendetta is right-- we do need to find out who he is.

Vote: Vendetta.

Votecount:

Vendetta (5): Gleip, Feryll, Solanis, Ssaliss, Ileein
Feryll (1): Casilu
Solanis (1): Vendetta

No lynch (1): Lilia
Deadline in roughly 5 hours.

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.