Right. And someone investigated as scum could still be innocent due to a crazy result or misdirection, but that's never stopped these games. I'm still surprised I'm the only one who's actually pushing and ripping at this claim.

I read it that the Order had to be dead.


So... nevermind.

I do agree that I'd expect bigger name characters to be distributed first, and that there are enough big names that it seems odd to see such a unremarkable character such as Ernie mixed in. So far as I can see:

1) Vendetta lying because he's DE/SK/something malicious
2) Vendetta lying to cover up a much more important non DE role
3) Vendetta telling the truth.

It would appear that there's a 2/3 chance that Vendetta is something helpful to the townie cause, however, #2 seems somewhat unlikely because well, if he was so important, it'd be better to remain anonymous than to draw so much attention with a controversial move. #3 seems somewhat sketchy as well because well shucks, it's a really strange move and the justification 'To see what happens' doesn't seem to hold water. Or if he could so casually make such a move, it'd mean that he wasn't central enough to be a big of a loss of a backfires (As in he's actually Ernie) or ....I don't know. I got distracted somewhere.

Anyway, screw it, in the interest of moving things in any direction, (Sorry), Vote: Vendetta

And by 'it', I meant your post.

*sigh* Ok. I'm not really... excited about doing this, because depending on what Vendetta turns out to actually be could then determine my fate, but I will say that Vendetta's roleclaim could be valid despite the minor role name. From all the information I can gather from wikis and such (Again, not a Potter fan, so I had to research), my role is actually even more obscure.

The thing that bothers me is the vanilla claim along with it. I don't really like how Vendetta played that, and I do have my suspicions, but I thought I'd put out that at least the using-a-minor-role thing wasn't really valid. (Because I was apparently assigned a role that had maybe a handful of scenes.)

That's all I really want to say at this point. I'm not as gung-ho about random day 1 claims.

Heh, everyone goes silent. Bomb dropped, I guess. And a slight edit, I meant to say that "I thought I'd put out that at least the using-a-minor-role thing wasn't really a valid theory for lynching this game".

Well, if all else fails, you can certainly talk about me! See, isn't this already much more interesting than most Day 1's?

It's also nice to see Gleip on the move, when he's typically rather lurky unless something is eating at him.



Really? Astonishing, you say? Interesting choice of words.



What a lovely load of hyperbole. That's so your style - goad people until they give up and go along with it. But be careful, you know how this tends to work out for people on these forums.



I would guess that they aren't as comfortable with the implications that could be made if they lynch a townie.



Finger of Suspicion. It's kind of a half-vote that's not a real vote, but directs a sense of unease at the person in question. I'm not fond of using it and would rather people just call things into question as they would, then use their vote as they see necessary.

I find Gleip's replies to be a bit too....aggressive in response and he is quick to point the finger....

He's usually like that, in past experience.

re: Vendetta, I am >50% trusting his claim.

Hmm, something else occurred to me.



I'm just drawing from this as the source of my inspiration, so before I explain myself, let me pose a question:

Should we go after lurkers in general with this game?

By "go after", I don't just mean with votes so much as with coaxing to activity, etc.

We have four Death Eaters, which is pretty sizable for a scum group. It is probable that a few of them will be aggressive while a few might go utterly passive and quiet, as opposed to them all leaning one way or the other. However, we also have Harry and Fudge to consider in this equation.

Certainly, lurkers must be reckoned with eventually, but how should that fit into the overall game plan for town right now?

Who has voted for who so far?

Votecount:

Gleip (1): AllergictoSabres
Vendetta (2): Gleip, Feryll
Casilu (1): Phoebus

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

If it looks like we're still going nowhere, I'll set a 24-hour deadline about this time tomorrow.

Well, we certainly don't want to risk lynching either of the two, so personally I'm leaning towards not taking out inactives too aggressively. Heck, it's better to take out someone that we know the identity of rather than essentially doing a random lynching.

And no, I'm not saying we should only take out those whose identities are certain. Just that we don't want to let chance decide it if we can help it.

Sorry, I'm still sort of new at this mafia thing.

I was joking when I said Vendetta was suspicious, but Gleip seems like he seized on it and ran. I haven't read much into what people say about their roles, because I haven't read much of the Harry Potter books.

Oh, totally forgot about my random vote thing. Thanks votecount! Unvote. Pchooooo



Yeah, this has kind of been bothering me. It was a little weird to get a claim so early on out of nowhere, sure, but I don't know if it warrants such a strong reaction.

We usually have lots of lurkers. I'm more for being more aggressive in persecuting these foul people.

In a normal game, I'd definitely agree. In this case though, we have two roles out of 15 that are special for win conditions: Harry and Fudge. Sure, they still shouldn't lurk, but killing off Harry or Fudge in this game would probably harm us much more than killing off some random person that doesn't do anything in any other game.

It does say "Everybody who does not win with one of these groups knows their own win condition.", but I read that as renegade roles rather than vanilla townies - you know, SK's, jesters, etc. So I'm working on the assumption that Ministry = town (and is thus an umbrella group for every good/neutral but non-main character, as Ernie could then ostensibly be a part of it) and Order = masons. (I'm guessing Harry's in the Order.)


That's the main question; there are pros and cons to both approaches. By not going after lurkers we're providing a smokescreen to help out the townie win conditions, but also potentially doing likewise for the scum/SK/cult/whatever else we've got to deal with. My (surprisingly reserved!) approach at this point would be to leave the lurkers (relatively) alone and do our typical thing of THAT IS SUSPICIOUS, EXPLAIN THYSELF FoS-ing to try and catch out the scum. It's not particularly suspicious to be lurking during day one, anyway, since there's not really a lot to discuss.

Sorry for disappearing, I was rather sick this last day , I'll be back later on.

I just saw this thread after being away from the forums for a couple of days. Can I still sign up as a potential replacement after Caerulo? PLEASE? Thanks!