I'm not sure who you're quoting, but demigod assists in mitigating low con because it raises your "base con" by 2 assuming you invest in the life power (which really, who wouldn't?). They only need to bash the essence once and just slot it supernumerary, so I'm not sure where you're going with trying to make it seem like it's hard to get the +1 stats. I could afford all of them right now after investing in other things already not having aetherbashed in well over a rl year (probably bordering on two years, actually. Time flies.) and only rarely going on any super bashes. I even skipped the entire great hunt with its 100% xp bonus. Lets not make it out that essence is hard to come by. 
So... it's just a numerical fact that being demigod assists in tankiness by giving you more base con... that shouldn't require more explanation... or I wouldn't think so. Then you just start stacking bonuses. Con platter (Or herofete), Tosha, karma con, might have the life domoth on your race, might have the chaos domoth hit con for you, life artifact. This doesn't affect just Faelings (which is what I'm assuming the quote is referring to with low con) - demigod helps make ANY race tankier.
The fact that monks can... well, monk people doesn't say much. We all know they hit way too hard at higher momentum levels/when you're proned. Demigod con bonus by itself doesn't turn you into a health beast - you need to stack. The person you're quoting said ESPECIALLY at demigod... meaning low con is highly mitigatable by itself in that there are many bonuses to raise health (listed above), and demigod just makes it all the easier.
So... it's just a numerical fact that being demigod assists in tankiness by giving you more base con... that shouldn't require more explanation... or I wouldn't think so. Then you just start stacking bonuses. Con platter (Or herofete), Tosha, karma con, might have the life domoth on your race, might have the chaos domoth hit con for you, life artifact. This doesn't affect just Faelings (which is what I'm assuming the quote is referring to with low con) - demigod helps make ANY race tankier.
The fact that monks can... well, monk people doesn't say much. We all know they hit way too hard at higher momentum levels/when you're proned. Demigod con bonus by itself doesn't turn you into a health beast - you need to stack. The person you're quoting said ESPECIALLY at demigod... meaning low con is highly mitigatable by itself in that there are many bonuses to raise health (listed above), and demigod just makes it all the easier.
QUOTE (AllergictoSabres @ Dec 4 2010, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You are exploding my mind, man. What are you even trying to argue? You said, "because a significant portion of those Faelings are mages." Eventru gave you the number of Faeling mages - 69 - which is roughly 8.5% of all Faelings. That is not a significant portion of Faelings in my book. Hell, mage Faelings are basically tied for second to last place being as monks were sitting at 68. So... yes, the numbers did indeed prove your statement to be incorrect.
Secondly, I don't know that "a significant chunk of them aren't Glomdoring whatsoever and are primarily influencers." and in no way do you know that either. Just like you didn't know how many Faelings were actually mages. A god could give us the numbers of Faelings in Glom vs Faelings not in Glom, but there's no real way to prove that any one of them is primarily an influencer (I'll clarify. Theoretically they could work some code voodoo that recorded influence actions vs other actions over logged in time to give a percentage, but I in no way think they would ever care enough to do that nor is it worth it). Again, you're just pulling sweeping statements out of who knows where and treating them as gospel.
Ok. Maybe you're arguing to other people about suggested nerfs to Faeling, if so, I'll just ignore that. I want to reiterate that I haven't called for any nerfs. I just said dropping speed to 2 to keep them even was cool beans. I'm not really getting what your point is with the spec'd vs unspec'd thing. So what if they're going unspec'd Faeling for influencing. How is that hurting you? They eat the low con. I'd also be hard pressed to believe that the only unspec'd Faelings that partake in fighting and/or high end bashing are TK mages... that just seems like an unreasonable assumption based on the fact that there are only 69 Faeling mages in existence, which probably are not all active (I know I can't pull 69 mage names out of my head) and some of whom probably decided not to roll with the TK train. Again, I'm not calling this fact, I'm calling it assumption, because I don't have the numbers (Beyond knowing that 69 Faeling mages exist) and neither do you.
I guess what you have me confused on is that you were originally arguing that the reason why there are so many Faelings is because Faeling mages were inflating the numbers. So you used that as an argument that Faelings are not flawed, it's forcefield. It's be proven that Faeling mages aren't really inflating the numbers.
Again, since I'm not asking for Faeling nerfs, I'm not using them in balancing arguments. I did say that yes, any class - ANY CLASS - can mitigate the low con with ease right now because Faelings HAVE held domoths for a long time. I didn't say balance around that, I said that they made the low con even easier to get around, using no class specific skills.
Honestly, I think I must be tired - I haven't gone to bed yet - because I have no idea where you're going with these arguments.
Secondly, I don't know that "a significant chunk of them aren't Glomdoring whatsoever and are primarily influencers." and in no way do you know that either. Just like you didn't know how many Faelings were actually mages. A god could give us the numbers of Faelings in Glom vs Faelings not in Glom, but there's no real way to prove that any one of them is primarily an influencer (I'll clarify. Theoretically they could work some code voodoo that recorded influence actions vs other actions over logged in time to give a percentage, but I in no way think they would ever care enough to do that nor is it worth it). Again, you're just pulling sweeping statements out of who knows where and treating them as gospel.
Ok. Maybe you're arguing to other people about suggested nerfs to Faeling, if so, I'll just ignore that. I want to reiterate that I haven't called for any nerfs. I just said dropping speed to 2 to keep them even was cool beans. I'm not really getting what your point is with the spec'd vs unspec'd thing. So what if they're going unspec'd Faeling for influencing. How is that hurting you? They eat the low con. I'd also be hard pressed to believe that the only unspec'd Faelings that partake in fighting and/or high end bashing are TK mages... that just seems like an unreasonable assumption based on the fact that there are only 69 Faeling mages in existence, which probably are not all active (I know I can't pull 69 mage names out of my head) and some of whom probably decided not to roll with the TK train. Again, I'm not calling this fact, I'm calling it assumption, because I don't have the numbers (Beyond knowing that 69 Faeling mages exist) and neither do you.
I guess what you have me confused on is that you were originally arguing that the reason why there are so many Faelings is because Faeling mages were inflating the numbers. So you used that as an argument that Faelings are not flawed, it's forcefield. It's be proven that Faeling mages aren't really inflating the numbers.
Again, since I'm not asking for Faeling nerfs, I'm not using them in balancing arguments. I did say that yes, any class - ANY CLASS - can mitigate the low con with ease right now because Faelings HAVE held domoths for a long time. I didn't say balance around that, I said that they made the low con even easier to get around, using no class specific skills.
Honestly, I think I must be tired - I haven't gone to bed yet - because I have no idea where you're going with these arguments.
You must be tired, because it's pretty clear. The reasons for large numbers of Faelings definitely include 1) Mages (which the numbers tell us are clearly pushing the totals up, though they do not contain activity), and 2) Influencers. The best way to discern this is to actually break down the numbers even further, because the numbers that were posted don't give any real picture whatsoever. When you do not know activity (for example, I'm pretty darned sure there are nowhere near even 15 active Ebonguard Faelings, much less 78
) or guild distribution, you can't use them for an in-depth analysis. What they tell me is that Mages are more likely to select it than other guilds which do not exist in Glomdoring (excluding Monks, which as I said, kind of surprised me), and that's all that it really can say. Mages are 9 behind Warriors, which are a Glomdoring specialization and a decent one at that.When the reason for nerfing Faelings (which, while you in particular may not be supporting, others are) is because they are 'too often picked / have high numbers', you should really expect a discussion on why numbers are high and how the proposed change affects the bloated numbers for the most-likely-selected-reasons; essentially, not at all. Note that Malarious specifically states this as his reasoning in his most recent post.
All this is going to do is affect those with the low constitution penalty to begin with, because again, once you have a high base pool you do not need the sip bonus as much. The lower the base, the more it's needed.
QUOTE (Sylphas @ Dec 4 2010, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just out of curiousity, why do slow, high str races exist, but not slow, high int races? Is the scaling just so different or is it Passivesâ„¢ again? They'd be at least slightly more viable since part of their offense is passive, I'd think.
Because I've been heretofore unsuccessful in convincing Hoaracle to splinter.
Just wanting to reiterate what other people have said too: the speed bumps will help merians and mugwumps a little, but with weaknesses staying as potent as they are and especially in relation to their constitutions, I highly doubt anyone will go for them except for the (as of yet unfixed) problem with mugwump deathsongs.
It's a pity, especially for merians as a spec race. I don't think the amount of casters about right now will move away from the expected faelings (insert forcefield stuff here) and humans (which are still statistically superior in comparison to the other caster races even after the changes).
I was looking forward to being a bouncing little chinchilla too, but that speed got taken away.
It's a pity, especially for merians as a spec race. I don't think the amount of casters about right now will move away from the expected faelings (insert forcefield stuff here) and humans (which are still statistically superior in comparison to the other caster races even after the changes).
I was looking forward to being a bouncing little chinchilla too, but that speed got taken away.
QUOTE (Xiel @ Dec 4 2010, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just wanting to reiterate what other people have said too: the speed bumps will help merians and mugwumps a little, but with weaknesses staying as potent as they are and especially in relation to their constitutions, I highly doubt anyone will go for them except for the (as of yet unfixed) problem with mugwump deathsongs.
It's a pity, especially for merians as a spec race. I don't think the amount of casters about right now will move away from the expected faelings (insert forcefield stuff here) and humans (which are still statistically superior in comparison to the other caster races even after the changes).
I was looking forward to being a bouncing little chinchilla too, but that speed got taken away.
It's a pity, especially for merians as a spec race. I don't think the amount of casters about right now will move away from the expected faelings (insert forcefield stuff here) and humans (which are still statistically superior in comparison to the other caster races even after the changes).
I was looking forward to being a bouncing little chinchilla too, but that speed got taken away.
I'm elfen.
And a TP.Xiel's zap vs. Merian Lady Akui (favoured, karma blessed, and buffed)
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A sudden gust of wind slams into you as the clouds above blacken ominously. Before you can react, a bolt of lightning rips through your body and bathes you in waves of agony.
Thin tendrils of shadow reach out from Viynain to rake across your skin.
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