And the system is singled out again.

It is, to my knowledge, the only available system (currently) with a fully automated AFK bash system.

Vadi was going to start developing a fully public one, though.

It's not like it would be hard. A mapper and a set of triggers for mob room desc..

Do people forget that the admins consider fully automated AFK bash systems crazy bad?

Yeah, but once you put it into a system that multiple people use, it's no longer just an individual coder here and there doing it; it becomes something which drastically alters the way competitions, gold income, and experience income in this game work. Essentially, 'who is the better robot'.

It also leaves those users the impression that such a thing is "okay to use" because it's just in their system, fully functional, available, and ready to go.

That said, you don't even need a mapper. Use the xml from the forums, use GMCP for targeting, and you don't even have to bother with triggers for the room descriptions.

They made it extremely easy to do it, sure. That does not mean it's a good thing to do, nor should it be justified / supported / defended.

Heh, i'm just going with what I used pre-gmcp with palisade. Though, truthfully, I'm sure there are very few people who are innocent of autobashing. Astral and Domoths, anyone?

I don't autobash.

Hell, I was on Nexus when I bashed to demigod...

Also, to add to the list, auto influencing!

I go with a requirement to press ctrl-keypad 5 to start my attacks on the targeted mob, OR target by pressing keypad-5 by itself, finding the first thing on the list which I've set up as being huntable, and then kills it by # (which means it has to be done each time the targeted mob dies).

This means I can't just walk away from the computer, I have to start it per set of mobs, reset it when things run out, etc for the first, or every time the current target dies for the second. There's a requirement to pay attention to what's going on.

This is what my last understanding of 'permissible hunting triggers' was, which is primarily what I was looking for clarification on; and according to the announce it does seem fine, since it does not just go all on its own.

For influencing, again, I have to kick it off manually per mob.

And? A system that walks you around has pretty much always been the line with the admins. A system that attacks for you is ok. A system that walks around and attacks for you isn't because now you need to do 0 work. So yeah, many people have an autobasher with an auto attack. Some have a basher that also walks around for them and that's pretty much the line the admins have drawn. So why try to defend those who can't follow something that simple? Why play if you can't follow simple rules? Hell, why play if you automate everything?

Who cares. It's a game. It's nearly impossible to realistically police this type of thing... nor does it ultimately hurt anyone. Is your family going to shun you for autobashing? Are you going to end up divorcing your wife due to sitting back and letting a system do things for you? if so, then I don't know what to say. Don't get me wrong... sure it's against the game's rules and it ought to be enforced by the admin. I am joke poking at the player-side of this whole thing. All this grief and "oh my god my life is now ruined because this is sooo unfair" from the players is rather silly, don't you think?

No, I really don't.

Especially since it wasn't being enforced by the admin.

Play by the rules, or don't play, IMO. Don't use something that automatically walks you around, targets things, and does all the work for you. It's pretty simple. A game where it's all about competitions between fully automated robots is not interesting to me. Nor is it what Lusternia is intended to be, apparently.

Then play it your way, let others play their way and let the Admin handle it however they choose whether or not the people get "caught". How other people play Lusternia is none of your business, and frankly you thinking that it is makes you out to be quite pretentious and egocentric. Save yourself the embarrassment and let the people who ought to handle it handle it.

P.S. That person is not you

In fact, I did let the people who are supposed to handle it handle it. All I did was ask whether or not it was now legal to do such things. The result was this.

Perhaps you should take your own advice.

You are absolutely correct. I will take my own advice and not follow suit in your epic quest to rant, whine and cry about things on a video game Thank you for the advice!

You mean like ranting that others shouldn't be upset when people intentionally decide not to play by the rules?

You're not doing a very good job at avoiding that, thus far.

Revan, you know I like you so I'm giving you good advice here. Stop white knighting for people. Lusternia's rules are super simple and in place for a reason. It's just lame when people can't follow them.

I suppose I'll bow out and let Xenthos continue proselytizing about how less enjoyable his life is because of this horrid turn of events! Woe be to all of us

The big reason its frowned on is that it turns the game into a bunch of bots with nobody paying attention, and removes the human interaction element from the game. This is a niche game in a world of hack and slash clones. The general appeal of MUDs comes not just from the combat, but from the world, it's players, and the setting/events, which is something games like WOW can't compete with right now.

That's why there's not just admin-enforcement but peer pressure from the player base to avoid this, it's why LOL and LEET speak and general OOC stuff (outside a few specific things) is not tolerated, and it's why these IRE games have more or less complex guilds setup so people can learn an expected culture and a traditional way to instruct new players to the social mores of the game.

I don't think anybody is saying don't enjoy playing with your style. People can bash on their own, people can enjoy complex RPG, people can do quests. However, there are certain things that aren't tolerated. Excusing it as "just a game" is missing the point. This is a multi-user game, and thus if people engage in activity that hurts the game for the majority, it hurts the game as a whole. It's the same thing as engaging in griefing or trolling--whether it is trivial in the grand scheme of life is sort of a straw man argument. Whether it's a "game" or not does not mean people can't complain about it, and even though it is free, people have paid good money for it, and shouldn't have their enjoyment ruined by those who can't follow the rules.