Kiradawea2010-12-23 02:16:03
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Dec 23 2010, 03:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Beacons, which are pretty great and arguably better than ships but worse than bubblixes.
The ways to and from bubbles aren't as bad as they were before, and every org has a ship with all the relevant flashpoints.
All I am saying is that bubblixes don't guarantee domoth/aetherspace victory (in fact, if anything bombard does), so I don't see people keep arguing that bubblixes will decide the aetherrevolt before they even occur.
And yeah I meant recently about the complaining. But tbh, since then, we've beaten orgs who had the death map up in revolts, so...
The ways to and from bubbles aren't as bad as they were before, and every org has a ship with all the relevant flashpoints.
All I am saying is that bubblixes don't guarantee domoth/aetherspace victory (in fact, if anything bombard does), so I don't see people keep arguing that bubblixes will decide the aetherrevolt before they even occur.
And yeah I meant recently about the complaining. But tbh, since then, we've beaten orgs who had the death map up in revolts, so...
But you need to be on the bubble itself before you put up the beacon no? And the bubblix gets you there faster than a flashpoint, thus making it better. And bubblixes aren't destroyed when you die hunting. Which is bad. Means that you end up wanting flashpoint ships that are that and only that, because otherwise you need to rope people into flying around and flashpointing new flashpoints after your ship makes a flash in the pan. Which is also a skill preeetty far up.
But bubblixes do not bring ships, so having good ships is still gonna be very important, more important in the end than bubblixes, which is how it should be.
Unknown2010-12-23 02:16:36
Why not just have the bublix's become useless during an Aetherflare, due to the energies involved messing with the planar dimensions.
Lehki2010-12-23 02:17:34
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Dec 22 2010, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But bubblixes do not bring ships, so having good ships is still gonna be very important, more important in the end than bubblixes, which is how it should be.
If somebody has a whistle they do.
@Phred: Because that's kind of severe and we really need to actually do them a few times to get an actual feel for how things work out, otherwise it's all just a BS theorycrafting.
Malicia2010-12-23 02:29:02
QUOTE (Lehki @ Dec 22 2010, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If somebody has a whistle they do.
@Phred: Because that's kind of severe and we really need to actually do them a few times to get an actual feel for how things work out, otherwise it's all just a BS theorycrafting.
@Phred: Because that's kind of severe and we really need to actually do them a few times to get an actual feel for how things work out, otherwise it's all just a BS theorycrafting.
What he said.
Being able to bubblix over with your group and whistle all ships into play is pretty good and anyone stating that this isn't an extreme advantage is a fibber! That said, that's the name of the game, usually. If you pay for an advantage, an advantage you will have. Could block whistling at bubble docks during flares but I would rather it were left alone.
Unknown2010-12-23 02:29:32
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Dec 22 2010, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Beacons, which are pretty great and arguably better than ships but worse than bubblixes.
The ways to and from bubbles aren't as bad as they were before, and every org has a ship with all the relevant flashpoints.
All I am saying is that bubblixes don't guarantee domoth/aetherspace victory (in fact, if anything bombard does), so I don't see people keep arguing that bubblixes will decide the aetherrevolt before they even occur.
And yeah I meant recently about the complaining. But tbh, since then, we've beaten orgs who had the death map up in revolts, so...
The ways to and from bubbles aren't as bad as they were before, and every org has a ship with all the relevant flashpoints.
All I am saying is that bubblixes don't guarantee domoth/aetherspace victory (in fact, if anything bombard does), so I don't see people keep arguing that bubblixes will decide the aetherrevolt before they even occur.
And yeah I meant recently about the complaining. But tbh, since then, we've beaten orgs who had the death map up in revolts, so...
It's more so on ground battles, and my complaint focuses on domoths especially. When you force conglut or pray or phoenix on a domoth fight, the bubblixes can return the dead fighters almost immediately into the battle. Ships can do the same, but the time to flash, berth, etc. is much much slower.
The beacons are good, but you still have to get there to drop it off, which is going to be slower than a bubblix if you use a ship. Ground party can set up a meld and be prepared to defend. And let's not forget what a bubblix can do with an aethership whistle. You can avoid the flashes, etc.
With the cata map, you can walk to the villages. I can walk to villages maybe 1 to 2 seconds behind someone else teleporting (which is another option here).
Unknown2010-12-23 02:40:34
QUOTE (Phoebus @ Dec 22 2010, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...
Haha, it's not too late to start now!
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Dec 22 2010, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But you need to be on the bubble itself before you put up the beacon no? And the bubblix gets you there faster than a flashpoint, thus making it better. And bubblixes aren't destroyed when you die hunting. Which is bad. Means that you end up wanting flashpoint ships that are that and only that, because otherwise you need to rope people into flying around and flashpointing new flashpoints after your ship makes a flash in the pan. Which is also a skill preeetty far up.
But bubblixes do not bring ships, so having good ships is still gonna be very important, more important in the end than bubblixes, which is how it should be.
But bubblixes do not bring ships, so having good ships is still gonna be very important, more important in the end than bubblixes, which is how it should be.
Orgs should have had flashpoint ships if they ever were interested in participating in domoths. It's not too late to begin getting some. Did you know that 65 db's (1/5 the price of a bubblix) gets you a 1 room ship, more than enough to make flashpoints with. And beacons are indestructible once set up except by colossi, and I imagine the enemy will be busy trying to take the ring than take down the beacon, unless they were extra prepared, which is difficult to do given when flares occur.
QUOTE (Phred @ Dec 22 2010, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why not just have the bublix's become useless during an Aetherflare, due to the energies involved messing with the planar dimensions.
Because it hasn't been proven that bubblixes are OP. Though personally, with regards to fairness, if bubblixes actually do get disabled, I'd like algotherine whistles to also be disabled, to prevent near instant aether-ferrying.
Unknown2010-12-23 02:51:55
Yeah. I agree that you try things out before getting the nerf or buff stick. I was just surprised nobody mentioned that as a possible option, as they have prevent some uses of the cubix under certain circumstances.
Xenthos2010-12-23 02:53:42
QUOTE (Phred @ Dec 22 2010, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah. I agree that you try things out before getting the nerf or buff stick. I was just surprised nobody mentioned that as a possible option, as they have prevent some uses of the cubix under certain circumstances.
People have mentioned it... in this thread, too.
Unknown2010-12-23 03:05:03
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Dec 22 2010, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha, it's not too late to start now!
We have what, two, maybe three people who can actually use flashpoints? I can set them, but can't actually use them. Aethercraft up to this point hasn't been a very high-priority skill in Hallifax! I guess this is another thing that needs to be added to the long list of skills to transcend.
Unknown2010-12-23 03:06:16
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Dec 22 2010, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
People have mentioned it... in this thread, too.
Lack of sleep for me last night will make me read poorly. Good night...
Daraius2010-12-23 06:25:57
QUOTE (Phoebus @ Dec 22 2010, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We have what, two, maybe three people who can actually use flashpoints? I can set them, but can't actually use them. Aethercraft up to this point hasn't been a very high-priority skill in Hallifax! I guess this is another thing that needs to be added to the long list of skills to transcend.
We'll just have to hope Xion flares when Daraius McCloud Shevat is around to shuttle Hallifax to victory. I nudged you to trans aethercraft forever ago, anyway, but you had to go buy some pets instead.
Esano2010-12-23 06:28:34
QUOTE (Daraius @ Dec 23 2010, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We'll just have to hope Xion flares when Daraius McCloud Shevat is around to shuttle Hallifax to victory. I nudged you to trans aethercraft forever ago, anyway, but you had to go buy some pets instead.
And when I'm not:
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It weighs about 2 pounds and 11 ounce(s).
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Unknown2010-12-23 06:36:22
I've been wanting a Crumkindivia cookie ever since they've came out.
Eventru2010-12-23 07:29:34
QUOTE (Daraius @ Dec 23 2010, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We'll just have to hope Xion flares when Daraius McCloud Shevat is around to shuttle Hallifax to victory. I nudged you to trans aethercraft forever ago, anyway, but you had to go buy some pets instead.
Little known fact: During the Bondshredder's first foray, we came up with funny names for the crew of gnafia fighter pods. Aetherfox the furrikin, Hogma the krokani, Leanon the dracnari, Sparro the trill... And a few more.
Being an admin is too much fun, sometimes.
Unknown2010-12-23 07:33:28
QUOTE (Eventru @ Dec 23 2010, 02:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Little known fact: During the Bondshredder's first foray, we came up with funny names for the crew of gnafia fighter pods. Aetherfox the furrikin, Hogma the krokani, Leanon the dracnari, Sparro the trill... And a few more.
Being an admin is too much fun, sometimes.
Being an admin is too much fun, sometimes.
Did you make the mugwump crash into a random planet and have to have the team run off to save him?
Eventru2010-12-23 07:36:42
QUOTE (Renthur @ Dec 23 2010, 02:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you make the mugwump crash into a random planet and have to have the team run off to save him?
They don't call him Sloppy for nothin'.
Saran2010-12-23 09:33:27
I believe the more important question is... when do I get an orbital drop pod for my ship?
But yeah... with bubblix you can have a three man initial team, one runs off to whistle, one runs off to activate construct, one runs off to raise beacon. Any others are bonuses who can help you block the dock. This is also before predictability is taken into account and the possibility of having ships docked and waiting for you to bubblix in is considered.
A whistle just doesn't seem comparable, they'll help once the battle has started and everyone has arrived, but not until then. A bubblix lets you get in first.
And anyway, aren't dingbats artifacts supposed to be the fun not really important balance wise artifacts while credit artifacts are the ones considered for balancing things?
But yeah... with bubblix you can have a three man initial team, one runs off to whistle, one runs off to activate construct, one runs off to raise beacon. Any others are bonuses who can help you block the dock. This is also before predictability is taken into account and the possibility of having ships docked and waiting for you to bubblix in is considered.
A whistle just doesn't seem comparable, they'll help once the battle has started and everyone has arrived, but not until then. A bubblix lets you get in first.
And anyway, aren't dingbats artifacts supposed to be the fun not really important balance wise artifacts while credit artifacts are the ones considered for balancing things?
Xenthos2010-12-23 12:10:27
QUOTE (Saran @ Dec 23 2010, 04:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And anyway, aren't dingbats artifacts supposed to be the fun not really important balance wise artifacts while credit artifacts are the ones considered for balancing things?
Pig nose says no.
Unknown2010-12-23 12:31:07
Should just make bubblixes and pig noses credit items.
Saran2010-12-23 13:05:03
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Dec 23 2010, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pig nose says no.
Nice... now go through the others. The containers, the scarecrow hat, the random echo generators, the item generators, vials with cute effects, the enchantment replacers, fate decks, etc.
So many things that don't really matter so it's not really an issue that you can't, easily, buy them with money or that they might not always be available. You can shout cubix/pyramid all you like but they are credit artifacts, and so, more easily obtainable as well as being rather unlikely to retire.