It's nothing like disabling bixes and other teleport abilities/items during revolts and Ascension events. Anyone can just WALK to those areas, and there are no teleportation abilities that work during domoths/flares. You have two options initially: ship or bubblix. One is very much faster than the other.

And I can understand your disappointment, but it shouldn't hold any weight in the argument about flares. Excluding the past few days, no one can say they bought bubblixes for use during flares, and if you're one of those people that did by a bubblix for a flare recently, you still have them for domoths and probably shouldn't have invested in something that was speculative.

Why is buying them for domoths perfectly fine, yet with the rationale given for disabling bubblixes during flares, shouldn't bubblixes for domoths also be disabled? Where was this large multipage complaint thread when bubblixes in domoths gave such a huge bonus?

That doesn't even make sense anymore.

I'm also fairly sure that at this point, there is at least one or two people in every org (barring Halli/Gaudi) who owns most/all of the relevant bubblixes, so fast travel isn't decidedly limited to just one org. Especially with the sale now.

Still calling BS theorycrafting before an actual flare, btw.

I don't think we should actually disable bubblixes, but theorycrafting still brings up some fair points:

o Incumbent Advantage will dominate the ground forces (except for situations of overwhelming numeric advantage)
What do you usually need to win? A meld. Who sets up a meld? Whoever gets there first. Who gets there first? The person with flashpoints or bubblixes. What helps a meld? Whatever side has shrines in place so they can spam invasion/wrath/gravity/distort.

Another question - if you're not fighting on the ground, where are you fighting? The air. Given the big impact bombardments have, many have suggested that aetherspace dominance will go a long way, which has unfortunate implications.

o Aetherspace combat places newer organizations at an automatic disadvantage, as it requires a massive gold sink.
o Aetherspace combat will likely boil down to a contest of 'Who has spent the most gold/credits to pimp their ship' with a smaller margin for skill.
(I might be eating my words on that, but there's never been any need to balance aetherspace combat, which will probably be a headache.)
o Aetherspace combat requires a disproportionate investment of time and money to be able to adequately 'compete' compared to normal combat.
(By this I mean you have to learn an entire skillset just to be able to do something. In aetherspace you need to invest money for ships, time to increase your proficiency with modules, and skills to have any noticeable influence on the battle.)
To be truly competitive in Aetherspace, depending on your role, you need:
Pilot - Captain (Mythical)
Empath - Purser (Virtuoso)
Combateer - Bombard? (???)
Access to bubblixes.
Several ships deeded to one active person. (1 chair/1 grid/3 turrets/1 shield orb)
A whistle to bring a ship over.

Compare this to ground combat where, so long as you have a system and a cool head, you can at least do something to help, even if that's spamming vines/web.

It's rather difficult to ask people to invest so many lessons into Aethercraft just for a tertiary conflict mechanic when there's far more incentive for personal growth. Consider also overlying theme of 'winners win moar'.

Btw shrines on the relevant bubble should probably explode whenever there's a flare.

I'd like to see bubblixes disabled for domoths. I'm not being inconsistent. I'm saying that while people can say, "Hey, I bought my bubblix for domothing,' they can't say, "Hey, I bought my bubblix for flares." Anyone that wants to use the latter statement might just have to eat the purchase because they chose to purchase the bubblix while it's a possibility that the would be banned for flares.

There's no one in Magnagora that owns all the bubblixes, and I'm not positive that there exists a whole set in Magnagora.

Why does there need to be a multipage complaint thread for something to be legitimate?

And how is any of this theorycrafting when it's a combination of two existing types of combat? Ground battles (where bubblixes allow for fast reinforcements, etc.) happen during domoths. That's part of my argument. I've -seen- it happen on domoths. The other aspect of flares is from weakenings. You get ships and you get ground forces. Ground-force battles will be very similar to domoth battles, except you could have people just dropping in to raise shrine powers (that already happened last time), getting a beacon set up faster, whistling ships in, etc.

If you want to call that theorycrafting, so be it. I'm theorycrafting, but it's not much different than predicting that the sun will rise tomorrow (both are inductions). There is absolutely nothing totally different about flares that prevents a person from reasoning what strategies will be used. What you seem to be trying to say is that these strategies might not be used: out of what? Kindness?

That still doesn't make sense. There's nothing stopping the admin from deciding that domoths should also be bubblix-free, even 2 years later from when they came in. I'm pretty sure that it's under the TOS that any arties are subject to change at any time, and you just have to deal with it, a risk you should be willing to take. Is there some sort of time limit before they can stop worrying about this? I'd like to know. Still sounds inconsistent to me.

Even if there isn't a complete set right now, it doesn't mean there won't be in the future. Should take advantage of that sale then, because as time goes on, the time when most serious aetherspace politickers will have dingbat items approaches faster and faster. Like demigods.

The multipage complaint commnt was just a jab about every time something new comes out, someone always complains in thread form. Don't take it seriously!

And nope, I'm not saying that these strategies won't be used, all I've really said is that bubblixes aren't such a HUGE OHGODWHY deal that you guys make it out to be, and it'll actually be aetherspace combat (bombard, unless it's changed) that'll be more of a decider than bubblixes.

The TOS does say that, yes. It doesn't mean the admins flat out ignore people that are vocal about not nerfing their artifacts. My discussion on this topic, however, was in response to that type of argument exhibited by people in this thread.

I'm not a fan of the "not right now, but it will be" type of arguments. They can lead to things you don't want using the same form: everyone's going to die, so might as well take advantage of death right now.

I think bombard is going to play a big deal, but colossi are too. Mag was moving very very slowly on our flare with just bombard, the added colossus helped, even with only 2 people focusing. It's been said that people flying more than one ship will most likely be understaffed, so it's a matter of shooting them down. The real question is whether or not it's better to have two ships bombarding or one ship and one colossus.

I'll make it really easy, on this argument about 'bubblixes'.

The decision will likely be made without much attention to the argument in this thread - largely because you're arguing the same points back and forth, points which were heard on day one. So there's really no point in continuing it!

Ahhh, peace on the internet. That's all I want for Festivus.

does not compute

Beep bop boop.

Also, Sahmiam, it's clearly not impossible to get someone with a nearly full set of bubblixes up and going; I have, so far today, gone from owning just 1 (Xion) to owning 7. And I have the dingbats for an eighth, well on the way for the ninth and last at this point.

Yay bubblixes.

SERENITY NOW!

I think you stated that you had over 1200 dingbats before this happened, but nonetheless, I never said it was impossible. However, charging for things -is- a form of discrimination, one that I'll grant is necessary. However, my argument is that the bubblixes provide too much benefit to an org. I personally support banning them during domoths and flares, but I'm satisfied if they remain on the market.

I started at just a tad under 1200 actually, though that is a valid point. At this point I've enough for 2.7 more bubblixes though, and the last 3.7 were entirely from the market today.

Am I the only one that thinks they might be just a tad pricey at, using the price Xenthos was paying, 4050cr for the full set? I'm not complaining really, I'd get a bubblix or two if I had the cash and didn't have things before them on my list, but that's double what a cubix costs for maybe half the rooms, to places there doesn't seem to be any burning need to access except for domoths or flares. They give you access to much harder to reach places than a cubix, but are they really worth it outside of domoths/flares, as something people would buy as one of their first dingbat/credit purchases?

/tangent

At the risk of 'trolling' or whatever you kids call it now...

...I feel like this appropriately sums up this thread.



(And I'm confuse where the price of the bubblixes suddenly came into the debate. I can think of 2-3 people with a full set, and I'm sure more will acquire them. It's a matter of cost - people will pay whatever it is worth to them! If you do not want them, do not buy them. Instead, sell the dingbats and make 'phat lewt'. Or something.)

Gotta collect them all!

But yes, they are pretty pricey. That's why I haven't really bothered to buy any before now, but a 20% off deal (and more things to do on bubbles) does make them more attractive.

It's not, I'm just curious. I even said I'd buy them, they're just not high on my list. Plenty of things that seem a tad pricey to me I've already bought anyway.



I still think a way to glue them together into a bubble hub sort of thing would be neat. (Also, dingbat doll charm bracelets!)

Splitting a cubix into prime, ethereal/elemental, cosmic, and astral bix arties would be neat too, that all formed a cubix when you collected them all and stuck them together!

I now have a full set, too.

Aww, I like my Xion shrine, it's been there since Elo came about in 2006! It has emotional value...