Hard to move forward when half the people under suspicion are not here at the moment.

Gee. You guys are truly helpless without me aren't you? I'm not sure if I should be flattered or annoyed. Mostly tired, but I can't really leave now and let someone take over this mess hmm?

So then. Biiig post which you guys probably won't read half of coming up.

First. Rika.



First, she claims she figures out the number of witches, then claims it discovers the amount of scum. That could be a reasonable assumption that the two are the same, except she then goes on to ignore two important things.

I am human. A devious, clever human with a witch persona out there somewhere but still a human. I would not show up on the chessboard.
If all witches are scum, then I daykilled a scum.

Rika ignores both of those things, and generally acts like her usual raging self when she's scum. Remember the Psych Ward game? Or even more recent, the Felt game? She'll pick a person, rage unreasonably and act shocked when realise that she is scum from her behaviour. The only thing that works in her favour is that there was a flavour post in accordance to her table flipping. So yeah, I consider her highly likely to be scum.

Second, Ileein and Shulamit.
One is a witch, one hasn't been awakened as a witch yet. (Look up)
My question regarding the two of them is this. If they win with the town, why are they supposed to create a group? And of course, there's still the win condition line that the witch faction needs to be eliminated. However, a few things in this set-up seems to be very intricate, so traitor roles are not out of the question. I also don't like that when Shulamit responded to the joking suggestion that she was mafia master, she didn't deny it like she tends to do, but instead said "I wish". Surprisingly assertive of her. So much in fact that I became curious enough to figure out that she physically left her room last night. And even if she wasn't the one to kill Shiri, despite all the factors supporting that, I still worry that her and Ileein's group coming together may create a SK group.

Then there's Ssaliss
Ssaliss began pushing on Shulamit using flavour. He dug up flavour info on Beatrice and used that as a basis to decide to first FOS on Shulamit, which he shortly afterwards changed into a vote. It seemed far too much like a set up to push for a lynch on Shulamit specifically. Why? I've no idea. He could be town with special info on those guys, or scum either looking for an easy lynch, or like me worrying that there is a secondary scum group out there to worry about.

But all in all, I need to do something, so.

Vote:Shulamit/Silferras

There's just too many danger factors surrounding her and I need to decide on something now. Now curse you for giving me yet another 5 hours of sleep night.

Final rambling thoughts before I snooze.

Battler is a coroner-role. He might be able to prove that Bern was scum.
I've pretty much provided an exact quote of what should be in all your various roleposts, assuming you are town. I really don't get how you can ask for more.
Shiri was an investigator. The fact that he was killed first may suggest that the scum team has a member that is skilled at discovering the cop signs Shiri left during day one. Of course, most scum teams would want to kill Shiri as early as possible, but risking it on night one? Problem is that the only other one I'd consider capable of figuring that out is Casi, and I still think of Casi as town. Perhaps Gleip...
Shiri was a witch investigator, figuring out who is a witch and who isn't. Wuy is a regular detective who discovers who was a killer in earlier iterations of the game. Neither are "true" cops, but more flavour cops, meaning that there is at least one good witch out there, supported by Rika's ability.

And finally, stop making me write such huuuge posts. I need my sleep!!!

Could you possibly get any more condescending?

Well she kinda has a point. No Shiribot either.

As the deadline gets closer, personally, I will probably vote for one of the alleged Mariage Sorciere, as I think the risk of letting them be if they are scum/potential scum group is greater than the benefit of some unknown magical power that may or may not be realised over the next couple days.

It's possible to bring up things no one else has noticed without insulting everyone else in the game's intelligence in one fell swoop and acting like we need her so much she has to lose sleep over it. I'm in a crabby enough mood right now to not want to deal with that kind of crap.

At first I thought it was witches, then I clarified with Furien and he just said scum.

Otherwise, good work at ignoring all the other points I've made against you.

We're supposed to create a group because we're basically powerless until then, pretty much like a mason group without any of the benefits. Second, you completely missed that we outed ourselves. It wouldn't be beneficial for scum to openly support someone else with such a convoluted story (Ileein in this case) and provide further details to corroborate.

Please also elaborate on what 'danger factors' you're talking about. Or did you just ignore everything that I/we said about the entire basis of our roles and the Mariage Sorciere?

Also, this. Did you just claim that you consider someone who demonstrated her power in the thread and revealed to us the number of scum.. scum? Her power and her claim fits perfectly. I think you need that sleep.

How do you know this?


Rika being scum doesn't really make sense to me, given Umineko's plot. If she were scum, imo, she'd be lying about her role, which I also seriously doubt as she has used her power and proven it does what she says it does. So I don't really agree.

We were waiting for you and Gleip to get back out of courtesy because Gleip (I think it was him) was nice enough to announce that you'd both be gone for a few days. We'd somewhat run the line of questioning about Ileein and Shulamit/Silferras as far as we could without actually taking action to figure out the truth. We (Or at least myself, but I'm thinking others) wanted to give both you and Gleip a chance to provide input on the situation. Additionally, there have been posts of some people either voicing their suspicions of you or Gleip or in your case some people outright voting for you. Since you it was announced that you were going to be gone, we again attempting to afford the two of you a chance to defend/argue/counter argue. Even the mod adjusted the game to accommodate the both of your situations. But whatever.

I don't understand this logic at all... Are you saying that you believe there are five scum, so by her power revealing four that proves you day killed a scum? Otherwise I don't even know what you're saying with this.

This I can at least agree with the fear that group may be something else. I've stated so several times. I still very much trust that their role claims (in so far as the characters they play) are valid, I have no way of telling their loyalties and that makes me nervous. It is true that they outed themselves. This leans towards town. If they're scum it would be an incredibly bold gamble. I don't know how either of them play (Or how much they've played), so I have no idea if it's reasonable to assume they're capable of something like that. (For instance if you and Casi were in Ileein's and Silferras' position and played it exactly the same up to this point, knowing the both of you I wouldn't totally discount that you might be trying such a move.)

Did I miss a role claim? I would assume Battler is in the game, but, uh, haven't heard mention of him. How did you determine his role function? /confused again.

Don't think so highly of yourself Kiradawea.

I'm going to ##Vote: Ileein

If the Mariage is town, I feel Silferas will serve us best to have around, as she's rather experienced at playing mafia.

Just FYI, I'll be gone for the remainder of the day. I might be able to check in, but I kinda doubt it. I feel I've made my position and thoughts clear enough though.

Diamondais, I think you missed a crucial part of our roles - we're powerless until we seek each other out at night. I'm going to keep being a useless townie despite my uh, experience if we don't manage to officially find each other.

I'm pretty sure I know who Battler is, but I also want to know how Kiradawea knows it's a coroner role. And while we're on the subject - I still think it's a good idea to investigate Kiradawea-Eva to see if she turns up as a 'culprit' for reasons mentioned previously.

I mean you're better at analyzing posts, rather than powers.

I think we're around ten hours from deadline. Going to need to make a decision on the best direction to go soon.

I'm just going to take the time to point out again that we have no powers and we won't have any powers until we find each other again; everything we have tells us that we are not scum and are not likely to become scum. The very fact that we outed ourselves rather than keeping it seeekrit seeekrit should show you something. :> Kiradawea herself pointed out that there is at least one good witch out there. There are waaaay too many witches in this source material to work out to just four scum.

This all said, I'm going to ##VOTE: Kiradawea. She's been acting kind of erratically, partially from tiredness I suppose, but it's just not enough for me.

I'm pretty sure I know who Battler is, too. Would really love to know if Kiradawea is just BSing again or she actually has proof.

Who is Battler, then? Everyone keeps holding out, man.

This.

Do you believe in magic?