Umineko Mafia - Night 4

by Furien

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Gleip2011-02-05 00:07:55
You guys might. I'm on my way to bed now, so I can't stick around for long. However, before we lynch Ssaliss, since we're so close to game end. I have a power that allows me to twice during the game, but only once each day/night cycle, discover if someone is lying.

You're free to give suggestions, but I plan to use my truth-seeking when I wake up, so wait for that at least.
Unknown2011-02-05 00:12:12
Fine. >_>

##UNVOTE SSALISS

THIS IS BUT A TEMPORARY REPRIEVE
Unknown2011-02-05 00:18:28
Ok. But I'm still convinced that he's scum.

##UNVOTE SSALISS
Sylandra2011-02-05 00:24:48
Fine. ##UNVOTE SSALISS.

For now.

Sylandra2011-02-05 00:30:11
Also: I was able to crack open my door last night, but was greeted with aforementioned demon goat butlers, who were obviously turned against me. Thus, my door could not have been locked if I could open it.



Demon goat butlers, man. Demon. Goat. Butlers.
Unknown2011-02-05 00:33:46
QUOTE (Gleip @ Feb 4 2011, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You guys might. I'm on my way to bed now, so I can't stick around for long. However, before we lynch Ssaliss, since we're so close to game end. I have a power that allows me to twice during the game, but only once each day/night cycle, discover if someone is lying.

You're free to give suggestions, but I plan to use my truth-seeking when I wake up, so wait for that at least.

I'm fairly certain that we've already caught Ssaliss in a lie here, so it'd probably be a waste to use it on him. We could use it to see if Sylandra really was telling the truth when she said she's aligned with town and that the Mariage is pro-town (though I'm inclined to believe it already.) Or, we can wait and see what else comes up before picking what to use it on. Those are just my thoughts at the moment.

So, now that we've unvoted. How about that information from everyone else? I don't really know if anything is going to be changing my mind here to be honest. mellow.gif

Though it would be nice to hear from AtS regarding my suspicion of him. I'm pretty convinced we've backed Ssaliss into a corner here.
Sylandra2011-02-05 00:36:14
I am not scum. I win with town.

Go ahead and use your lie-detecting skills on me, Gleip man.
Ssaliss2011-02-05 00:43:06
Let me hear you repeat this then, so we get it all in one post:

I am not scum.
I win with town.
I will remain aligned with the town even if the Mariage Sorciere reforms.
I have no other conditions for winning other than the killing of the Witch faction.
Unknown2011-02-05 01:09:39
So some people claimed their powers, others claimed their names. Can we get a summary of who's who?
Unknown2011-02-05 01:15:26
3. Diamondais
4. Ssaliss - Rosa Ushiromiya, roleblocker, claim only
5. AllergictoSabres
6. Rika - Kyrie Ushiromiya, pretty much flavour mod confirmed
8. Sylandra - Beatrice (no longer badass Witch ) , claim only
10. Shou - Erika Furudo, detective that determines culprit, semi-confirmed by mod
11. Ileein - Ange Ushiromiya , probably identity claim is true
13. Solanis - George Ushiromiya, roleblocker , claim only
14. Phoebus - Natsuhi Ushiromiya, two-target bodyguard, claim only
15. Gleip
Unknown2011-02-05 01:24:16
Wow. Screw having classes during intense mafia days (And then I got dragged into two games of League of Legends right when I got back... I'm addicted sorry.). Umm, ok, I guess I'll do the claim thing since almost everyone has.

I am Genji Ronoue. Created in part by the demon Ronove, once during the game, if attacked at night, I will block the attack and launch an counter offensive. This will result in my attacker dying.

@Phoebus - I'd agree with you that voting near a deadline to sway the outcome is scummy. However it doesn't apply to that case for several reasons.

1. Purposely tying the vote (If it would've ended like that) would have resulted in a no lynch. Both Kira and Silf were revealed as town. I can think of no reason why scum would want to prevent a townie from being lynched.

2. I had been saving my vote because towards the end there was some discussion going on, and I wanted to give both of them a chance to say everything they wanted to say. Again, my vote did put either of them into a lynch. I then had to go to class, so I had to put my vote in prior to that or not vote at all.

3. I justified my vote with logical reasoning which I had mentioned previously. Keep in mind that arguably the two strongest mafia players (Kira and Casi) both voted for Silf as well and they're both confirmed town now. I felt that possibly sacrificing one of that group to confirm that they're town was worth the cost vs the risk of leaving a possible scum group right out in the open. That coupled with Kira and Casi were thinking the same thing made me think I was making a reasonable decision. Now I know that it's 99% likely it's an entirely townie group, and I can rest a bit easier. I've said this all before - way before my vote - and during my vote - and I don't know how else I can explain my actions. So yeah, that's about it.

In regards to Ssaliss, he was caught in a pretty obvious lie, so it's all but confirmed he's scum/not town. I'm going to wait for Gleip to truth before voting just in case.
Unknown2011-02-05 02:53:46
Actually, in regards to the truth/lie thing, I have a better idea. I am of the mind that using it on Sylandra or Ssaliss would be a waste. We already caught Ssaliss lying the old fashioned way. With there still being four scum remaining, and a dead Mariage confirmed as town, I sincerely doubt that the Mariage is a scum group, because that would have meant a huge imbalance of anti-Town vs. pro-Town from the start. So, it would probably be just as much of a waste to use it on Sylandra at this point in time.

So my suggestion is this.

First, Gleip, I'd like clarification: is it an entire post that you can check, or just one statement within a post? If you don't know, ask for that to be cleared up before you do anything. Also, everyone (even the two I personally think we shouldn't investigate) should make a post stating the following:

QUOTE
I am aligned with the Town.
I am not a member of the Witch faction.
Town is the only group that I win with.

That way, we can easily check a person's alignment if significant suspicion is cast upon them. If you can only check one statement in a post, check the one that I bolded. Sound good?
Unknown2011-02-05 02:54:55
And to make sure it's clear that I am also saying it:

I am aligned with the Town.
I am not a member of the Witch faction.
Town is the only group that I win with.
Ssaliss2011-02-05 02:55:55
Any reason you're not repeating that, Sylandra? Oh, and if you need to know why I suggest it...

QUOTE
I am not scum. You not being scum does not equal you being town. Plus, it does not cover for future changes.
I win with town. One of your win conditions could very well be the killing of the Witch faction. That is, until the Mariage Sorciere forms.
I will remain aligned with the town even if the Mariage Sorciere reforms. This ensures that you are loyal to town even if the Mariage forms.
I have no other conditions for winning other than the killing of the Witch faction. This ensures you have no hidden agenda.
Unknown2011-02-05 02:57:50
QUOTE (Ssaliss @ Feb 4 2011, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Any reason you're not repeating that, Sylandra? Oh, and if you need to know why I suggest it...

Sylandra is at a movie at the moment. suspicious.gif I know, how dare she have a social life when we're trying to Mafia. All these SLEEPING and/or SOCIAL people!
Ssaliss2011-02-05 02:58:51
Heh. Just curious since she used to respond to my posts within minutes before I made that post, and then it took two hours all of a sudden. Oh, and since you asked so nicely:

I am aligned with the Town.
I am not a member of the Witch faction.
Town is the only group that I win with.
Ileein2011-02-05 03:04:45
I am aligned with the Town.
I am not a member of the Witch faction.
Town is the only group that I win with.
Ssaliss2011-02-05 03:06:34
Wouldn't it be better to adjust that last line? A lone person with a special win-condition might not count as a group, thus satisfying the condition of town being the only group they win with.
Sylandra2011-02-05 03:10:25
No problemo, Ssaliss. Also yes I was seeing Love and Other Drugs. Campus movie night. ninja.gif

I am not scum.

I win with town.

I will remain aligned with the town even if the Mariage Sorciere reforms - to the best of my knowledge.*

I have no other conditions for winning other than the killing of the Witch faction.

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*Actually, I was unaware the Mariage Sorciere existed until Ileein and Silferras brought it up. Upon looking up the Mariage Sorciere and hearing comments made in the thread, I put two and two together and got four (I also haven't seen anyone come forward to correct me and say that I'm not the third member). I really don't see how my alignment would change due to that; seems like it'd make my role pretty damn hard to pull off if so.
Unknown2011-02-05 03:10:36
I am aligned with the Town.
I am not a member of the Witch faction.
Town winning is the only way I can win.


Yay?