Asperger's Syndrome

by Roark

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Calixa2011-02-12 15:16:17
28, which is lower than when I last took the test (had 32 a year ago).

I know I do not have Asperger's, because I used to have a colleague at work who did have it, and while I was the person who he could best talk with there was still a gap that couldn't be bridged. He explained me once how he thinks in math. That just blew my mind, because math is the one subject in school I always failed at. I am somewhere very close to being a genius, but not quite good enough to be one. Which used to cause me a lot of frustration, being like 3 IQ points away to get invited into Mensa. But eventually I've started to see it as a blessing, that I can understand "normal" and "gifted" people, although I will always feel better around the latter group.

If anything is pushing my score up, it is being smart, and enjoying being smart. I'm not big on the social thing, and I generally do not enjoy it, until I feel safe, and then I will be the center of attention. I've been diagnosed with borderline (extreme black / white thinking), and through going into my past, I've learned how I've grown into what I am, but I have also learned that can be broken out again, which is the stage in which I am now. Of course I am skeptic about it, but well, if you experience bad things 90% of the times it is no wonder your view of the world is as such, even if you rationally can understand you've just had :censor: luck. I understand why labeling can be bad, but for me it came as a great relief that the quirks I had were recognized and explained instead of me worrying if I was just doing things on purpose to get attention or something like that. Because I now understand what is happening, and most importantly why it happens, I can also change things. And changing yourself for better, and noticing how you start to have a lot more fun, is a great and powerful feeling.

If it is any kind of relief, most people feel insecure in social situations. It is perfectly normal. But it is also a shame, that the world is so full of expectations that just drain all the fun out of them. It is one thing I really hope society will turn around it, because social contact is so very important and wired into us.

And as a friend of mine put it best regarding depression and overcoming it: "If you can overcome all the problems you at present have in your life, then you have truly won at it, because no matter what the future will throw at you, you've already dealt with the worst. It may still be a bumpy ride, but you have cleared the road, which will make it a cakewalk.". Considering the fact that the average human deals with depression at one point in their life, if you tackle it at an early age, you are in fact 'lucky' because it will create this great sense of perspective. And yes, bad stuff will still happen, like the death of a loved one for example, but if you don't also drag along years of baggage, you can really focus on dealing with the present and working on a future.
Roark2011-02-12 15:35:06
QUOTE (Elostian @ Feb 12 2011, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, just so everyone's clear on this: this is in no way a medical diagnostic test! In fact, at a glance, it's a fairly whimsical test with disproportionate focus on certain aspects as well as random perspective switching on questions which makes it really easy to give incorrect answers. It's probably a very bad screening tool as I can predict its specificity is going to be very very low.

It's not a diagnostic test, but it was written by one of the most prominent psychologists in the study of Asperger's, Simon Baron-Cohen. Extensive studies show a strong, though not absolute, correlation.

To be more thorough there are other tests out there as well written by that same guy, but for brevity I didn't post them. One was for how much you need friends and relationships (FQ), and the other how much you understand the feelings of others (EQ). I scored off-the-charts low on those two, beyond what an aspie is supposed to get. smile.gif And there's one about understanding or being interested in logical systems (SQ). Etc.

Just scoring yourselves on all those tests is not good self-diagnosis. I think many people who self-diagnosis, as a prior post said, just take a few on-line tests and use the scores as an excuse to be a jerk. For myself I interviewed my parents and people who knew me when I was younger. Introspected on current and past memories. Also went to a forum called Wrong Planet to get some 3rd party opinions. Etc. That's the proper form of inspection...if like me you don't have a need to see a psychologist. IE - I personally don't "suffer" from Asperger's; I'm rather glad I have it or whatever "it" may be.
Unknown2011-02-12 15:58:03
Elostian basically covered all the problems I was having with some people's responses to this thread already, which saves me a lot of writing here.

Self-diagnosis based on online test scores makes me cringe. fear.gif
Shiri2011-02-12 16:21:51
Oh, I didn't realise that was Baron-Cohen's. Went to a conference to hear him for work once, was pretty enlightening. And then I got back and had to review books by some quack going on about babies in the bomb thinking the mother was dying and autistic babies don't give a damn and the other ones freak out and kick her all night trying to wake her up.
Casilu2011-02-12 16:44:43
QUOTE (Shiri @ Feb 12 2011, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, I didn't realise that was Baron-Cohen's. Went to a conference to hear him for work once, was pretty enlightening. And then I got back and had to review books by some quack going on about babies in the bomb thinking the mother was dying and autistic babies don't give a damn and the other ones freak out and kick her all night trying to wake her up.



Ka-boom?
Elostian2011-02-12 17:04:04
QUOTE (Caerulo @ Feb 12 2011, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
did not test for its specificity


Quite, though on the other hand, with questions like this, I expect it to have a sensitivity of at least 99% wink.gif
Unknown2011-02-12 17:25:53
QUOTE (Phoebus @ Feb 12 2011, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Elostian basically covered all the problems I was having with some people's responses to this thread already, which saves me a lot of writing here.

Self-diagnosis based on online test scores makes me cringe. fear.gif


I know I don't have it, I just find it nifty that someone who is merely anti-social and likes her own patterns of the day can be considered borderline.

Also, it explains why I relate well to be people with it, which is awesome. More friends for me! smile.gif
Casilu2011-02-12 17:29:11
QUOTE (Phoebus @ Feb 12 2011, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Elostian basically covered all the problems I was having with some people's responses to this thread already, which saves me a lot of writing here.

Self-diagnosis based on online test scores makes me cringe. fear.gif


Doesn't stop me from being a hypochondriac about it.
Unknown2011-02-12 19:12:00
Got a 25, I think because I'm pretty anti-social (don't like large groups of people I don't know), and I'm not very spontaneous. I like to know well in advance what I'll be doing.
Jack2011-02-12 22:55:43
QUOTE (roark @ Feb 12 2011, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be more thorough there are other tests out there as well written by that same guy, but for brevity I didn't post them. One was for how much you need friends and relationships (FQ), and the other how much you understand the feelings of others (EQ). I scored off-the-charts low on those two, beyond what an aspie is supposed to get. smile.gif And there's one about understanding or being interested in logical systems (SQ). Etc.

I think you should link to those quizzes, too! Not only to provide a more complete picture of the facets of the disorder, but also because everybody on forums loves to self-diagnose, especially via quizzes. (Or wikipedia.) Screw brevity! tongue.gif

I got a 7, by the way. Asperger's is basically antithetical to my nature; I learn by doing rather than reading, I love being the centre of attention, and I'm pretty good at reading people.
Unknown2011-02-12 23:50:04
I got a 20.

Pretty much I'm like Deschain. i don't like to be in big crowds of people I don't know (I start to get panic-y if I am) and I like to know in advance what's going on or I get grumpy. I always hated the first day of school. Once I get my schedule, know my way to class, know who my classmates are I'm usually pretty good. Its also why I hate going out with friends. I mean, I enjoy being with my friends but being in public gets me all...wanky.

oh and the eye contact thing....it hurts my eyes to look into someone else's for more than a few seconds which is why I avoid eye contact.
Roark2011-02-13 00:20:20
QUOTE (Jack @ Feb 12 2011, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you should link to those quizzes, too!

So it shall be done.

FQ: How concerned are you with friendships and relationships? Common results...

Typical male FQ = 55 - 86
Typical female FQ = 74 - 106
Asperger's FQ = 35 - 78
Roark's FQ = 10 (hermit)


Two-in-one. EQ: How sensitive are you to others' emotions? SQ-R: How much do you analyze or construct logical systems? Common results (note that the sexes usually score opposite on these two)...

Typical male EQ = 26 - 51
Typical female EQ = 37 - 59
Typical Asperger's EQ = 9 - 33
Roark's EQ = 8 (Spock)

Typical male SQ-R = 35 - 80
Typical female SQ-R = 25 - 70
Typical Asperger's SQ-R = 50 - 120
Roark's SQ-R = 71
Neos2011-02-13 00:55:31
QUOTE (roark @ Feb 12 2011, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So it shall be done.

FQ: How concerned are you with friendships and relationships? Common results...

Typical male FQ = 55 - 86
Typical female FQ = 74 - 106
Asperger's FQ = 35 - 78
Roark's FQ = 10 (hermit)


Two-in-one. EQ: How sensitive are you to others' emotions? SQ-R: How much do you analyze or construct logical systems? Common results (note that the sexes usually score opposite on these two)...

Typical male EQ = 26 - 51
Typical female EQ = 37 - 59
Typical Asperger's EQ = 9 - 33
Roark's EQ = 8 (Spock)

Typical male SQ-R = 35 - 80
Typical female SQ-R = 25 - 70
Typical Asperger's SQ-R = 50 - 120
Roark's SQ-R = 71

FQ
Your Friendship and Relationship Quotient (FQ) is 32 out of 135
EQ/SQ
Your Score 22 55 Extreme Systemizing
Casilu2011-02-13 00:58:09
FQ is 36.


EQ: 33

SQ: 62


Well, there goes that hypochondria again.
Ssaliss2011-02-13 01:14:32
FQ: 32
EQ: 27
SQ: 76

Not sure what to make of that, other than not being very social. Ah well.
Sylandra2011-02-13 01:17:33
FQ: 91 out of 135.

EQ: 55.

SQ: 24.

I'm below average on SQ. My organizational skills are a nightmare. sad.gif
Ayisdra2011-02-13 01:56:41
Your Friendship and Relationship Quotient (FQ) is 35 out of 135

EQ: 11 SQ: 51
Aramel2011-02-13 01:56:54
Score: 19

I'm very introverted, though it bugs me how that's sometimes seen as a "problem", especially here in uni. " I would rather go to a library than to a party." <-- this is a problem how?
Jack2011-02-13 02:52:08
QUOTE (roark @ Feb 13 2011, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So it shall be done.

Supoib.

Your Friendship and Relationship Quotient (FQ) is 110 out of 135
EQ = 58
SQ = 34.

My EQ/SQ score is more standard for a woman than for a man, I guess. I'm not surprised to find I'm more empathizing/emotional than systematic/logical, though.
Unknown2011-02-13 08:42:41
Asperger's FQ = 35 - 78
Mine: 55/135

Typical Asperger's EQ = 9 - 33
Mine: 34

Typical Asperger's SQ-R = 50 - 120
Mine: 92

Interesting. But what does it mean?