Yggdra Union: Justice lies in the holy sword!

by Kiradawea

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Diamondais2011-03-17 11:08:08
Plus you know, guessing the mod always works out so well.
Arix2011-03-17 11:30:12
Arix's favorite thing is when someone like Casilu or Phoebus is the mod and people try to guess then
Arath2011-03-17 11:51:44
QUOTE
(Recruitment will run until I have time to start up the game, giving you at least 24 hours to sign up. Probably more. Also, the game may not be the most balanced with powers flying left and right, but I'm testing out a new method of ensuring that flavour can't be used to determine scummitude, so it's all good.

Also, the cards do nothing. They're just flavour counting for those who know the game.)

Is this the quotation you consider? Kiradawea-sama does proclaim that she intends for flavour to be a nonissue in regards to the determination of who is with Yggdra, and who is against her. She also clearly states that the cards in the sign up thread function as a red herring. However, prior to Razenth-kimi's statement, I see no mention of anyone speculating upon the value of the cards as they were written within the sign-up thread. The closest to such speculation is Lilia-kimi's mention that scum might be people of weak will, a statement made all the more difficult by how strongly most of us would stick to our belief during Yggdra-sama's union. Razenth-kimi takes this opportunity to condemn Gulcasa, Aegina-kimi and the other Bronquans.

As I understood Gleip-kimi's statement, he is critical of Razenth-kimi for the very notion that we may eliminate those with a relationship to the Imperial Army. However, those with the weakest will, would in my own humble opinion be Rosary-kimi and Roswell-kimi, who were so easily manipulated into a war. I do not see anything inheirtantly wrong in the notion expressed by Gleip-kimi.
Llesvelt2011-03-17 12:52:46
Okay, so, those speech (or writing, whatever) tics there are quite a few of.
Kalaneya2011-03-17 14:57:55
QUOTE (Arath @ Mar 17 2011, 07:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is this the quotation you consider? Kiradawea-sama does proclaim that she intends for flavour to be a nonissue in regards to the determination of who is with Yggdra, and who is against her. She also clearly states that the cards in the sign up thread function as a red herring. However, prior to Razenth-kimi's statement, I see no mention of anyone speculating upon the value of the cards as they were written within the sign-up thread. The closest to such speculation is Lilia-kimi's mention that scum might be people of weak will, a statement made all the more difficult by how strongly most of us would stick to our belief during Yggdra-sama's union. Razenth-kimi takes this opportunity to condemn Gulcasa, Aegina-kimi and the other Bronquans.

As I understood Gleip-kimi's statement, he is critical of Razenth-kimi for the very notion that we may eliminate those with a relationship to the Imperial Army. However, those with the weakest will, would in my own humble opinion be Rosary-kimi and Roswell-kimi, who were so easily manipulated into a war. I do not see anything inheirtantly wrong in the notion expressed by Gleip-kimi.


I interpreted Kira saying 'flavour doesn't matter' as meaning not only would you not be assigned the card you are in the sign-up thread, but that the flavour source couldn't inherently be used to determine alignment either (so maybe Gulcasa and co. are not scum?). It seemed that "Angels" and "weak-willed" people are more likely candidates for scum based on the intro post and one of Kira's posts in the sign-up thread. I think this game is going to be more about scum-tells and less mod-guessing (interesting for me since the only game I've been in was the RoTK where that wasn't really an issue...so I don't know much about what scum-tells are).

Also, where can I find the information of each character and their particular traits (like Roswell or Rosary being weak-willed)? I can't really find any good wikis or anything for it...the TVTropes page that Kira linked to isn't helping me much on that front.
Tekora2011-03-17 16:55:27
QUOTE (Silferras @ Mar 17 2011, 06:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So.. Get anything from your surprise flashing, Tekora? laugh.gif


I got a Chariot card.
Kalaneya2011-03-17 18:24:37
My Google-fu shows that Chariot is associated with Durant. What this means, I don't know.
Casilu2011-03-17 20:14:54
Well, Tekora, I think you're lying. Your power is clearly that of killing all conversation. tongue.gif
Arath2011-03-17 20:43:01
Indeed. It does appear to me that we are in need of someone to throw the proverbial wrench into this silent machinery, so we may discover which cogs squeak under the pressure. Unless you will so choose to examine the quarrel between Gleip-kimi and Razenth-kimi.
Lilia2011-03-17 20:52:33
My understanding of the point under dispute is this: I don't think anyone disagrees that the cards from the sign up thread have anything to do with what role you got, or whether or not you're scum. The issue is over who exactly the scum are. I'm thinking that the flavor of your role probably impacts your powers, and nothing else. Meaning, if I claimed , that doesn't mean I'm scum. If I were to claim , that doesn't mean I'm town. So instead of relying on your knowledge of the flavor source, you have to actually play mafia, and determine scum from people's behavior.

Question for Tekora. Did you steal that card from Razenth, or was it gifted from on high, or what?

(Damn you Lusternia, I keep typing in British!)
Diamondais2011-03-17 20:56:47
Sorry, been a bit tied up thanks to assignments and practicing for my presentation that I finished earlier. I just don't like guessing the flavour/mod conversations, I guess so I try and stay quiet except for the odd snark. umm.gif I know nothing of this flavour.

I don't like how Razenth asked about Ssalis' potential powers/protections so early, but I can see how he could be town. Razenth would be my fall back if it came to needing to vote because really, asking after powers when it isn't warranted (i.e. if they're being pressured to claim) is just bad. tongue.gif
Razenth2011-03-17 21:17:28
Chariot is my card and based on my role, I suspect a strong correlation between card and game character association, as well as game character association and town alignment.

Given this, I still advocate that Tekora is town based on my previous observations.
Razenth2011-03-17 21:21:34
Also, Arath's usage of the endearment kimi has perked by interest, and may be a role restriction unless someone can point out to me an example where he uses it in normal speech.

I will be looking into characters in the series that share this quirk or who have personalities that corroborate with usage of the term.

From answers.com:
What does kimi mean in Japanese?

In general usage (though it is not generally used by adults), it is a weak term of endearment said by a male to a female. It does not imply romantic involvement, and can also be used by young boys to other young boys. It can imply subordination, but does not strictly do so. It is a familiar term, and shouldn't be used to address strangers or superiors.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_kimi_m...e#ixzz1GtVCDgnN

Unknown2011-03-17 21:32:55
QUOTE (Lilia @ Mar 17 2011, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My understanding of the point under dispute is this: I don't think anyone disagrees that the cards from the sign up thread have anything to do with what role you got, or whether or not you're scum. The issue is over who exactly the scum are. I'm thinking that the flavor of your role probably impacts your powers, and nothing else. Meaning, if I claimed , that doesn't mean I'm scum. If I were to claim , that doesn't mean I'm town. So instead of relying on your knowledge of the flavor source, you have to actually play mafia, and determine scum from people's behavior.


This looks like the most prudent path to me, unless we get evidence indicating otherwise. And aside from, you know, a mod post that revealed a role as town in big blue letters.
Arath2011-03-17 21:44:45
Indeed. Since Kiradawea-sama has clearly expressed disdain at the reliance upon investigative roles and flavour to determine guilt in an individual, I find Razenth-kimi's insistence upon roles and the eagerness to force as many claims out into the day most peculiar. As it is, we already have reason to believe who Razenth-kimi and Tekora-kimi are underneath their illusion, and Yggdra-sama has already broken her illusion. In addition, Gleip-kimi suggests that Arix-kimi is Nietszche-kimi underneath the veil, though Llesvelt-kimi's alacrity in questioning Gleip-kimi's suggestion, as well as his own preference to refer to himself in third person do suggest to me that it may instead be Llesvelt-kimi who is Nietszche at heart.
Razenth2011-03-17 21:53:57
So that's who Nietszche is, the undine!

And here I was wondering why Gleip claimed Arix was a 19th century German philosopher. :|
Arath2011-03-17 21:55:31
Nietzsche-kimi is the polar opposite of Nietzsche-kimi.
Unknown2011-03-17 22:49:56
My god that speech quirk is annoying.
Razenth2011-03-17 23:15:19
Research indicates that NESSIAH is the one who uses kimi towards everybody, because everybody is so much damn younger than he is, as as the fact that he's a fallen angel, and technically everything is below him.

Nessiah, need I remind anybody, was the penultimate boss of Yggdra Union and a seeder of chaos and destruction.
Kalaneya2011-03-17 23:44:38
I'm giving Razenth the benefit of the doubt here, but the obsession with flavour-interpretation probably comes from the previous Three Kingdoms game where all we had was flavour and basically no scum-guessing via tells. Additionally, it would be WAY too obvious to play a game like that if Arath, Llesvelt or Arix really do have to use their typing quirks because they are too easy to associate with the video game villains or heroes.

In short, I don't believe in Nessiah necessarily being scum in this game as Razenth seems to be implying. Is there a particular reason you think this, Razenth?