Yet another "what should I train?" thread

by Calixa

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Unknown2011-08-03 19:21:46
QUOTE (Ilyssa @ Aug 2 2011, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It makes Telekinetics cry, and I'd imagine Shadowdancers trying to use Choke, too, but I'm not sure if it's a locked channel.

It is.
Lilija2011-08-03 20:38:15
If they're ever awake, bards going for a damage kill in group would provide a drain on ego as well. Not sure how common that actually is in a group fight, seems like most of the time for them it's a hinder and buff your own group until someone's hindered enough to use deathsong on. I wouldn't say that transing harmony would be worth it for the chance of that. However, the higher your rank in harmony, the better your regeneration becomes.
Luenn2011-08-09 09:19:40
QUOTE (lilija @ Aug 4 2011, 07:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
However, the higher your rank in harmony, the better your regeneration becomes.

I was wondering if I was imagining that.

Just what a Psymet Lobo needs: More regeneration wahoo.gif
Zilias2011-08-09 21:48:52
Does Harmony work for all Regens or just Health? I assume its on the Wiki...but i'm on the forums not the Wiki, so, I asked..
Ilyssa2011-08-09 22:36:31
Yes. Harmony Regen works for health, mana, and ego depending on the mantras you choose. (Body, Mind, and Heart respectively.)

Keep in mind you'll probably max+ regen with PsyMet and Harmony! Just a bit of friendly advice to maybe use one Mind or Heart mantra, depending on what you need.
Raeri2011-08-10 08:17:23
QUOTE (Ilyssa @ Aug 10 2011, 08:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes. Harmony Regen works for health, mana, and ego depending on the mantras you choose. (Body, Mind, and Heart respectively.)

Keep in mind you'll probably max+ regen with PsyMet and Harmony! Just a bit of friendly advice to maybe use one Mind or Heart mantra, depending on what you need.


Harmony regen is separate from racial levels. So is Psymet's, iirc. They all stack on top of whatever racial regen levels you have.
Ilyssa2011-08-10 09:10:46
QUOTE (Raeri @ Aug 10 2011, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Harmony regen is separate from racial levels. So is Psymet's, iirc. They all stack on top of whatever racial regen levels you have.

I know, but Harmony/Psymet Regeneration will probably cap the three levels.
    Luenn2011-08-10 10:54:23
    QUOTE (Ilyssa @ Aug 10 2011, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I know, but Harmony/Psymet Regeneration will probably cap the three levels.


      er, no. The three levels are just for racial regen, and things that don't stack with them (e.g. regen runes, demigod regen etc.) These are already maxed out by being a lobo. Harmony regen and psymet regen are both separate and stack on top of these.

      At least, that's my understanding.

      but yeah, I do use other combinations depending on the situation. I tend to use two body and one mind while hunting (extra mana for clotting with), 3 heart while influencing (obvious reasons), and one of each in pk (most of the good pk spirit mantras require one of each).
      Ilyssa2011-08-10 15:20:09
      QUOTE (luenn @ Aug 10 2011, 06:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
      er, no. The three levels are just for racial regen, and things that don't stack with them (e.g. regen runes, demigod regen etc.) These are already maxed out by being a lobo. Harmony regen and psymet regen are both separate and stack on top of these.

      At least, that's my understanding.

      but yeah, I do use other combinations depending on the situation. I tend to use two body and one mind while hunting (extra mana for clotting with), 3 heart while influencing (obvious reasons), and one of each in pk (most of the good pk spirit mantras require one of each).

      Racial regen is its own thing (sans runes) and caps out at three. Mercy is exclusive, and then you can have three other "levels" of regen. That is what I have been saying.
      Janalon2011-08-10 16:23:55
      I'd like to point out the unlikely choice: discernment. Psionics is in a child pool, and psymet a grandchild to discernment. Both the base and spec offer gobs of resistance DMP, but they are all skill based... meaning you won't receive full DMP values until you trans both psionics/psymet AND discernment. A good amount of psionics (about 25% - 50%) is tied into discernment; psymet less so (because it's direct parent is psionics). A little more skillgain in that area will see DMP boost to both psi/psy. So its a good investment if you plan to get the most outta being a psymet.
      Ilyssa2011-08-11 07:53:35
      QUOTE (Janalon @ Aug 10 2011, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
      I'd like to point out the unlikely choice: discernment. Psionics is in a child pool, and psymet a grandchild to discernment. Both the base and spec offer gobs of resistance DMP, but they are all skill based... meaning you won't receive full DMP values until you trans both psionics/psymet AND discernment. A good amount of psionics (about 25% - 50%) is tied into discernment; psymet less so (because it's direct parent is psionics). A little more skillgain in that area will see DMP boost to both psi/psy. So its a good investment if you plan to get the most outta being a psymet.

      Ooh, didn't know that myself, thanks.
      Janalon2011-08-11 10:23:46
      QUOTE (Ilyssa @ Aug 11 2011, 03:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
      Ooh, didn't know that myself, thanks.


      Yeah, only found out myself when BodyScan first came out. I was shocked that my DMP values psionic / psymet defenses were below what was stated in the AB's. This is when my "bug" report came back with some explanation about mutual skill points and the skill tree.
      Raeri2011-08-11 10:38:42
      QUOTE (Ilyssa @ Aug 11 2011, 01:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
      Racial regen is its own thing (sans runes) and caps out at three. Mercy is exclusive, and then you can have three other "levels" of regen. That is what I have been saying.


      I don't think that's true. The other regens mentioned are on different tics afaik, so shouldn't stack like that. Psymet and Harmony regens certainly stack from experience, and Harmony alone has three levels of regen depending on mantra count.
      Unknown2011-10-22 19:11:11
      I'd like some help on this one too! I've been building up credits the best I can for quite a while now and I'd like to make the right choice. I've got enough lessons now to max one skill if I wanted, or bring at least 2 of my skills to transcendent.

      I primarily bash, and am considering influencing, but probably after I bring my bashing up to optimal levels. For now, my main concern is survivability.

      I'm at mythical on my offense skill, fabled in psychometabolism, virtuoso in harmony, and mythical in resilience. I'm considering maybe getting splendours or trying the tattoo route. Or, dumping most of my lessons into beastmastery to get bodyguard (would still be able to put two of my skills to trans with this). I'm not sure what would be the best survival gain, but I'm thinking probably putting transcending psychometabolism and resilience. I have low con, so I'm really emphasizing on survival here!
      Calixa2011-10-22 22:49:15
      Max your core guild skills unless one is not used for your bashing at all. Survivability is a good first choice if you will be bashing but from personal experience I've found that consumables are less costly and pay off more. Con platters, kirigami, karma blessings, godrealm blessing, throne, ect. Bodyguard I've been told is very nice, but I think psychometabolism and resi should go first.
      Lerad2011-10-23 11:23:59
      Linelmarsith:

      I'd like some help on this one too! I've been building up credits the best I can for quite a while now and I'd like to make the right choice. I've got enough lessons now to max one skill if I wanted, or bring at least 2 of my skills to transcendent.

      I primarily bash, and am considering influencing, but probably after I bring my bashing up to optimal levels. For now, my main concern is survivability.

      I'm at mythical on my offense skill, fabled in psychometabolism, virtuoso in harmony, and mythical in resilience. I'm considering maybe getting splendours or trying the tattoo route. Or, dumping most of my lessons into beastmastery to get bodyguard (would still be able to put two of my skills to trans with this). I'm not sure what would be the best survival gain, but I'm thinking probably putting transcending psychometabolism and resilience. I have low con, so I'm really emphasizing on survival here!


      Tattoo monks are superior to splendours. Tailoring may, however, be a more lucrative trade skill than tattooing, depending on your business sense and willingness to invest. Not sure exactly how harmony works, and whether or not transing it has any benefit to the regeneration it offers. Transing psymet is a good way to increase survivability, though, with one or two abilities in there that scales dmp according to skill level. Additionally, bloodboil is irreplaceable in bashing bleeding mobs. It greatly increases your tankiness in that regard, unless you have very low ego (note, not cha, but ego). Finally, leaving the super channel open at all times when bashing for the occasional SuspendedAnimation is great. It can be used in nearly any condition, so if you were getting mobbed by entangle heavy mobs and can't tumble out in time, just pop it and save yourself a death. Let it run its course, and you can walk out the moment you pop out. A good trans psymet will find his death-during-bashing occurences rare, unless he's bashing areas way out of his league.
      Unknown2011-10-24 00:11:25
      Thanks for the comments! They confirm my already "wanted to go" route, but wasn't sure if something was better to get first.

      I wish I had paid more attention when raising harmony. At the time, it didn't occur to me that it -might- have an affect on the amount regenerated. I don't think it does though. I regenerate around 25% of my health every tic, using harmony, psychometabolism and mercy. I just can't imagine getting more!
      Kiradawea2011-10-24 08:53:32
      More harmony doesn't increase the amount of health you regenerate with the mantras. At least that's what Gleip told me.
      Okin2011-10-26 07:29:48
      Woot! Thread-hijacking-that-isn't-really-hijacking-because-it's-the-point-of-the-thread. I'm a Researcher with all my guild skills Transed (Healing is my tert.) and I've got a fair amount of lessons to spend. I went for Discipline and Resilience based on what people said in this thread - I already had highmagic - and now I'm wondering what else is worth shooting for. For combat, obviously, but if there's any major utility awesomeness I'm missing out on, that too. Thanks, peeps!

      Common Skills Rank
      ------------- ------------
      Combat Inept (weaponprobe)
      Resilience Transcendent
      Discernment Expert (magiclist)
      Highmagic Transcendent
      Planar Virtuoso (astrowave)
      Discipline Transcendent
      Environment Apprentice (squinting)
      Influence Transcendent
      Dramatics Novice (debatehurry)
      Arts Novice (woodcraft)
      Beastmastery Inept (riding)
      Aethercraft Transcendent
      Raeri2011-10-26 08:33:50
      Okin:

      Woot! Thread-hijacking-that-isn't-really-hijacking-because-it's-the-point-of-the-thread. I'm a Researcher with all my guild skills Transed (Healing is my tert.) and I've got a fair amount of lessons to spend. I went for Discipline and Resilience based on what people said in this thread - I already had highmagic - and now I'm wondering what else is worth shooting for. For combat, obviously, but if there's any major utility awesomeness I'm missing out on, that too. Thanks, peeps!

      Common Skills Rank
      ------------- ------------
      Combat Inept (weaponprobe)
      Resilience Transcendent
      Discernment Expert (magiclist)
      Highmagic Transcendent
      Planar Virtuoso (astrowave)
      Discipline Transcendent
      Environment Apprentice (squinting)
      Influence Transcendent
      Dramatics Novice (debatehurry)
      Arts Novice (woodcraft)
      Beastmastery Inept (riding)
      Aethercraft Transcendent



      You need to invest in Combat for stancing effectiveness. I'd probably then suggest moderate amounts in the other low ones up to Master or so for utility efficiency.