A cap on something based on something without a cap is almost as if there was no cap at all. And, my points still stand.

Godrealms aren't easy to grow! Really aren't.

That just means it's really, really hard for the smaller and/or less active orders.

Just so you know, even if you have a god that's active and about, and gets tons of essence offerings, that doesn't mean you can expect them to expand their realm as actively or eagerly as Eventru. Or at all. There might just be a rift between what you want and what your God wants.

So... Eventru is raising customer expectations that cannot be guaranteed to be matched?

I know what's it like to be where you guys have been, particularly with a two god pantheon where one is essentially non-existent and the other is constantly getting replaced and unreliable, and the other side has three very active, very visible gods. But there's nothing good or useful with this attitude. Take it from me.

I recommend a new one.

I'm assuming you think god realm directly affects conflict, but it doesn't, unless someone on either side makes it affect it. The only time Eventrus god realm is brought into any sort of conflict is when Mag attacks it, or Lehki rage raids. Influencing the realm mobs gives essence sure, but there really aren't even that many Eventru shrines outside of Celest. I've seen maybe one or two max. The main bulk of shrines used by Celest have been by Terentias order, and her realm is just about the same size as other god realms, possibly smaller, possibly larger. There are no such things as perma-favours in Eventrus order. Sure, he might have the option for certain order members, but the only person who gets anywhere close to having a perma-favour is Naralis, and that's because he hunts like crazy. He on his own offers several million essence. From what I've seen, the majority of Eventrus essence goes back to expanding his realm, and handing out favours to people based on offerings everytime he clears the logs. Everyone has access to hunting/influencing for esteem, so no one is being denied essence, we just have the good fortune to have Gods who are more active. But from what I've heard, Hoaracle is pretty active, though not always present, Elostian is around every now and then, the Glom gods are present just show up even less, even Mag gods pop up every now and then. They have order members who all know how to hunt, so all those gods can gain essence to expand their realms if they want. Limiting god realms/cults/etc. would just leave Eventru with even more unused essence, and then we really could have perma-favuors! I think I've gotten more truefavours from Terentia and Kalikai(she doesn't even have a realm I believe), compared to truefavours from Eventru. If your god shows up at all, lack of an expanding realm is due to unwillingness from both the God and the Order. You can hunt and offer, influence and offer needles, or even buy needles. That essence given can be put towards expanding the realm, giving even more things to give essence! Seriously, you're asking for something, just because you happened to draw the short end of the stick, and refuse to do anything with what you've got. If you were asking for a nerf to a skill that is used against you on a constant basis that's hilariously op, no matter the situation, I could maybe agree depending on your argument, but you're asking something be limited, that doesn't directly affect you unless you make it. Shrines going up has nothing to do with realm size, or only Eventru's order would ever put them up. yet there are shrines to Hoaracle, Elostian(only recall maybe one or two), Raezon, Morgfyre, Fain, Lisaera, Maylea, Terentia, even Isune!

This is so unorganized, but hopefully my message is clear.

tl;dr

I have already taken a new tact: ignore the divine orders (and all other imbalances) as best I can, just living life as I feel is appropriate for me.

This makes it sound like you think that expansion of the god realm is a simplistic matter, it is a building project and could be the equivalent to a new area depending on the god and how often do we see a new area in Lusternia?

This entire tangent started from a note on admin activity, if an admin is not expanding their god realm and are not seen around all that much then my expectation is that they are likely devoting their limited time to other projects rather than interaction with mortals or working on their order. I think the purpose of the limiter is to give an end point to orders, where the admin is encouraged to develop other aspects of the game, I believe the hope here is that they take a look at orgs with less attention and work on projects for them too which could lessen the impact of a god with low activity.



It's not hard to drift towards the Verithrax opinion of gods when they give themselves toys.

Summary: having an active God is great and wonderful, but if you don't have it, you're not missing anything at all.

There's still that whole "more avatars and shrines" thing changing the balance of combat, but other than that, you're right.

Avatars don't impact combat that much. As soon as the order has 2 or 3 active people who can raise shrines, it really shouldn't suffer in that area, either.

I don't really understand avatars and their abilities, I must admit. I just know I sometimes see the message about being ripped apart in the presence of an enemy god's avatar.

Was more of an issue when each enemy avatar ticked that, it hasn't stacked for quite a while now.

None on Eventrus avatars are active combats, hell, I'm the most active combatant in the Order. And only one or two shrines outside of Celest.

@Saran
If you want the realm to expand, but they don't have time to actually do it, ask to help. You never know. :shrug:

Expanding your godrealm isn't just a matter of essence and building a few rooms. There's very strict rules for them and being mad at your patron for not having a (big) godrealm is like being upset at switzerland for being smaller than France.

Busting my balls, Neos...
I am tryyyying.

Damn Switzerland, being so small!

Didn't know that. Assumed it was give essence, design rooms, hope Estarra says yes or such. And I'm not mad, just confused as to why Iasmos was asking for god realm sizes to be limited when it had no direct bearing on conflict, and was more of an rp thing. Good to get it slightly cleared up.
And Elostian, your realm is semi-confusing.


I said active, not capable, else I wouldn't have even mentioned myself.

The size, or even existence, of a godrealm was only one minor example of the differences between a nice, active order and a pathetic, dead order. It is by no means a major point of contention.

The combatant avatars do come mostly from Terentia, but not all combatants in orders get to be avatars.