I only just noticed this now, and thought I might highlight it for those whose eyes may have glazed over it earlier as well:



Neat!

But then you consider people like Ixion (76), Exeryte (76) , Talan (67) and myself (66) plus anyone I've missed out, who have done many more honour quests than most people. Even at 100 per honour quest, Ixion has lost the chance of gaining 7600 honour for his family. This is, quite simply, unfair. Why should people be punished for doing something earlier, when there was not this added reward? The same argument can be made about the epic quests, but what is done is done, whereas we are still in the idea phase for the other honour quests.

I have 91! Darn epics

Sorry, I still don't really buy the argument - it sounds more like someone who quested for bragging rights being unhappy over someone else putting in the same effort because of new incentives in place. Simply because someone else has already done something doesn't mean it shouldn't be incentivized, even if it makes sense. I'm not saying we will, or will not, add honour gains for honour quests - but I simply don't pay into the 'but I did it without honour gains so everyone else should too' argument. Frankly, if I thought it would genuinely encourage more people to try out honours quests and explore areas and see parts of the game they normally wouldn't, all the more reason to do it, really.

It's kind of annoying to see that all your hard work over the ages puts you in a worse position then someone who hasn't put in that work. If I spend the time doing all these honor quests (I haven't but this is hypothetical) and suddenly they are worth honor and people who have been around the same amount as I have but haven't been doing anything suddenly get rewarded (and I can't receive that reward), I'm going to feel very gypped/bitter.

Edit: though anything retroactive does prove to be a pain, and I agree that it's not really a terribly good idea to make Honours quests give family honour, it's more about the point (that carries into related and less related things/improvements).

Actually, I think those who do have a great many honour lines are at an advantage here. They have done a ton of quests and thus should have a good understanding of the mechanics, probably still have notes, and can go do them again boosting their family rapidly. Yes, some quests might be a righteous pain to do and you dread thinking of doing them again, but you do have a great excuse now to have your family help you.

It would depend on if you got the honour upon gaining the line or upon every completion of the quest. I think that any system that worked honours lines into the family honour system would have to only allow each quest once, to avoid you simply farming an easier few quests over and over. (Granted, this is all speculation, as it's been said nothing like this is particularly likely.) Any system where you could just do quests repeatedly to gain experience, while probably also working towards hunting/influencing tics seems like it would run into annoying abuse and lead to more quest greifing, totally not desirable.

I see your point on the quest griefing. On a related note:



I'm a she, dammit

Quests already give less experience and gold than what dedicated hunting would do. The only reason to do some quests again is for the unique benefits, such as the Tosha blessing or the powergem from the mugwumps.

And honour quests are anything but personal. Sealing the Slag'hora is a huge deal for Serenwilde as a whole. Awaking Marilynth is something the whole basin will notice and which is important to Celest, even though the quest doesn't do anything anymore. It makes far more sense for a greathouse to gain honour from questing than it does from hunting (unless it's a house of blood).

And the argument that it is unfair to those who already has a lot of honours falls flat when you remember that those with a lot of honours would be the one to benefit the most from such a change, because they are the ones who would be getting new honour-lines as quickly as possible, as well they are going to avoid the honour loss from getting the honour lines that goes contrary to the city their house is aligned with. It should reflect badly upon a Hallifaxian house if someone in the house raises a node for Gaudiguch, and it should reflect badly upon a Celestian house if a member raises the ship of the dead.

So. Looks like decay is still forcing people into negative honour. I think whatever was changed last is also preventing the new month from rolling over (yes, yes, already bugged in-game, but it never hurts to mention.)

EDIT: Specifically, I think the decay is ticking at the end of months instead of on the weaves. Or is that how it is supposed to work?

There was a bug unrelated to the decay that stopped the month from rolling over - it's fixed now. I've also disabled honour decay for the moment, while a few related bugs are sorted out (but monthly gains etc should still be calculated).

And yes, it's each month, instead of each weave.

Hmm... ok!


Huzzah!


Oh no!


Utter confusion....?


Be this a bug, my dear Eventru?

Edit: NM, missed the above post! Is it possible to reset honour for houses in the Negative due to decay, please?

Oh. But it only checks for honour gains in the current weave to determine the decay tic? I thought someone said earlier it -had- to be in that weave. So if the weave rolls over on the 24th or 25th of a month, we're only supposed to have an hour or so to get that honour tic?

I am coming late in the game and without much opportunity to review the previous posts.

While I understand the arguments about now applying some of this stuff retroactively, it seems to me that completion of epics and honours quests should result in the individual having a higher value. Thus, perhaps a house could gain honour based upon the addition of reputable individuals? I feel like this would best be accomplished by a gain for all houses based upon their existing members.

This way would allow some minor compensation for missed honour gains for experienced folks.

I like.

I was planning to do a reset for houses < 0 honour (at least, a reset back to 0), once I figure out precisely why some houses are decaying and some are not.

Honour gains per IG month are cleared the same time decay is calculated - so worry not in that regard.

You da best~

No, your argument is the one falling flat because there is nothing from stopping someone who didn't already have honour lines from completing new ones even more quickly than those who already have a huge list of them. It is not a mechanical thing like bashing where you can bash quicker because you have already bashed more in the past due to higher levels. There is no "questing level" that makes it easier to get new quests done.

Eventru has already said it is not feasible for different quests to give/remove honour for families aligned to orgs. Even if that wasn't the case, most of us will have many more quests that would be considered "good" for our orgs than "bad", so we'd lose out on that again, so there goes the other half of your argument.

The question is whether, in the code, the hook would be the moment the honors line is awarded -- because if you already have the honors line, it doesn't get awarded the second time. In addition to the implementation troubles Eventru noted (like making each quest award the honor to the right side the right way) it's entirely possible that the very way quests hand out honors lines would have to be adjusted too.