If possible it seems simpler to make a function that the quest reward prog calls. Would mean that it would be a fairly standard thing to add to the quest reward part of the code and you'd be able to run it either inside or outside whatever checks whether you have an honour or not to allowing for some honour quests to be repeated or not for honour. If the command is only for quest honour the system could modify the value as appropriate.

Making it so each honours line earned gives honour at that time sounds like it would be a huge pain, especially when you take into consideration that if you wanted to make something easy be worth less than something awful and time consuming to avoid the inevitable complaints of "omg why is Estelbar worth the same honour as Frosticia, nerf!" it would involve even more subjective nonsense. I don't know the first thing about code but that sounds like a big ol' headache.


However, I do kinda like the sound of that. If it's decided to factor honours quests into things at all, I think something along those lines would be a better way to go about it. I don't really care too terribly much about the issue one way or another though. I'm just sittin' around second-guessing what type of House the Skyplumes should be once I finally get that one additional family member.

I think the honour quest discussion can (should) be let lie.

Onto more important things! My relation to my family still shows as through marriage. Fix plz?

Seriously, love the changes, love these semi-surprising changes you guys roll out. First bookbinding, which I've had since day one of me playing Neos, and now the family system, which I got into on day two or so.

I actually have a fix for everyone who's bloodbonded into a family (but is considered 'married in'), but I'm more or less going to have to manually fix every instance of this. So at some point we'll try to set something up regarding it.

/offer a bajillion essence to Eventru

What about someone bloodbonded into a family who married another person, then later rejected their birth family to found a family with that person, then got divorced and came back into their original family, then married out into another family again, who is showing up as having been born into the family they founded with their first spouse in all the records? Less confusing non-sentence version:

-bloodbonded into one family
-married someone into that family
-rejected family, founded new family with that person
-divorced, rejected other family, came back to original family
-married out into another family

=shows up as having been born into the family they founded in the first marriage. How does that even happen, are you aware of it even being possible, and is that counted in the list of "people to fix"?

I have a feeling you are entirely to blame for that mess .

I. What? How? Why?

No, it shouldn't be possible. I'm not really sure how you've managed that one, so I'm not sure on how to fix it (rather, I'm sure I can (with no small amount of effort) fix a particular instance, but I can't fix a bug in the code I'm not even sure how it's happening, so I'm not really going to do one if I cannot the other). If you can give me something more concrete (like whomever's name (if this isn't Phoebus) and the family they bloodbonded into), I might have a greater chance to track that down.

Or someone who couldn't be a member of the family because their mother married out, but then they married into another family, then acknowledged the mother's family but now their husband isn't a family member?

So:
Mother married out
Child considered into other family
Child marries into another family
Mother gets divorced and comes back to original family
Child's acknowledges mother's birth family
Child is a member of the maternal family but husband isn't even though he rejected his.

I hope that made sense.

There was some weird old bug that allowed Spouse B to reject the family even if Spouse A hadn't. I've fixed that, but those instances will need to be (likely manually) fixed.

I speak of the family history of Sylandra Skyplume Silverwind Shevat.

I've had that bugged for ages, this is awesome to hear.

Maybe I'll finally lose the Mes'ard newsboard. (this has been bugged before and it cleared from my list before I could see what the answer was, can't exactly bug it again right now)

Yes, fix her please.

So many s'es.

Hallifax sure likes its esses.

To touch on an earlier point made- Blood Houses should see losses for repeated deaths. If they can engage in wanton killing and gain, it only makes sense that they lose honour when unsuccessful.

Neat point.

I just want to point out that any gains my house has made has been mostly through hunting/influencing and not so much wanton killing. In fact, in the past 6 weaves according to family logs, only 1 entry (100ish honour) has been from killing and it was actually for killing in enemy territory which is different from 'wanton killing.' We actually lost honour for some wanton killing right when this started ( I think it may have been a bug).

The point is, as far as honour gains go currently, Ysav'rai has gained the majority of it's honour through hunting/influencing . Talan has been going pretty much non-stop and a bunch of us have been hunting quite a bit. I just think the 'suffer honour loss on death' may be a reaction to our honour gains, but we're working hard for them and not in the way you think.

Before anyone says it, Yes I know Krellan likes to gank people, but lets be honest, he's always done that, even before this new system. Even after the implementation, we've gained around 100 honour from it, just one tick. Meaning the gain you receive from it is hardly a gain at all.