I think this is true for lots of people. Sadness.

Yeah, think yours was better.

Though if you'd used something like the White House and red-white-and-blue flails or something, I'd have laughed pretty hard. (How non-germane is this!)

I was too, but then it got to the point where I felt I had to make a serious counter-argument for my position.

Basically, I was just trying to point out that putting in an artificial limit is... well, frustrating! Especially when there is something that can be done to resolve it. It is not unheard of for outsiders or single individuals to be embraced by a family, and for their deeds to reflect upon that family's name (for good or ill, though usually for good). That might include an honourary adoption, but... you don't really have a feature for that, for someone who is a part of another family / is older than the adopting folk / etc. Despite that being quite feasible in reality. This change would essentially allow that behaviour to occur, without having to do another code overhaul to add in another option into the system. And Xenthos is, at this point, a pretty well-established individual in the game. I'd like to think him supporting one family or another would have some impact!

That's all, I'm sure it will come up again at some point, heh.

Also, yes, purple is very appropriate.

Anyone know the gain amount for ' publishing a scholarly work.'?

I could have sworn Irillia's last publication was after the new system was in place, but I don't think we got anything for it. Just the giant honor chunks when Nihmriel and Irillia won prestige. So maybe it's not so much publishing as winning prestige? I hope I'm wrong.


On another note, how are honors gains accounted for when hunting in a squad? Is it somehow divided among the squad, or does it just go to the one who made the killing blow?

It goes by kills.

Congrats Ysav'rai!

There is only gain for prestige - briefly played with the idea for just publishing, but we've witnessed people publish a bunch of crap just for the points, so this is a lot less easily gamed!

I like the idea of being a more behind the scenes god: only talking to your worshippers; using your priests as cat's paws.

Edit: ahh okay so things like this ' o Moderate bonus for publishing a scholarly work.' only refer to prestige wins. Gotcha!

Can you please adjust HELP FAMILY HONOUR to be reflective of this? Because how it reads now...



... is very misleading!

I wish that wasn't so, about the publishing thing. I wonder if maybe there would be a way of making it so that books could enter a process similar to critiquing where Librarians could ratify it as an 'outstanding piece of literature' or something, verifying it's quality, and allowing it to give a bit of honor. Prestige just seems so few and far between. And all I do is write, it was gearing up to be my only mode of honour. Woe.

Yeah, Ast, I agree. It seems like for House of Letters (and Culture too), you don't really get anything for your orientation unless you're winning prestige or stage competitions, which happens once every 24 days right? And you're not even guaranteed to win unless you're a superb writer (or no one else submits anything). It just seems like that is incredibly over-restrictive and for families who want to go the letters/culture route, they had better have a Nihmriel/Ileein/Lendren/Sthai type person who can consistently win contests if they want points from their orientation or they better start bashing/influencing.

I don't know how difficult it would be with the code, but what if the honour was based off of the weight of the book in the library system (word count). It's probably easy to publish some crap in less than 1,000 words but I'm assuming after that it gets a bit more difficult. Also, why is it not considered a problem that people can publish crap to game the library system but it is a problem if it affects family honour?

How? All books go through the critiquing process, so unless every librarian is gaming the system for a certain house, how can people be publishing crap for points? Getting something published is hard enough (time spent writing, editing, getting through critiquing). Are you really restricting Letter House gains to just a handful of people every few weeks?

Well.. since it isn't what the help file says, a change to say it's for prestige and whatever theatres get because now it's just confusing.

Also, does acting in a play only count if it wins? And how are points awarded if you're actor and producer?

I'm sure you do! At least you have the choice of one, the other, or both as befits your roleplay and personal style.

Mechanical constraints are rarely fun!

It's possible I am just being idealistic here but it seems logical to think that offering honour gains for just publishing would actually improve the overall quality of work we're seeing in the library system simply because of the increased volume of submissions.

Assuming that the majority of the submissions will be "crap" designed to game the system seems a bit pessimistic. Some will be crap, some will be quality. A rather solid reflection of the current state of real life publication I think! The point is there will be much MORE of both and an increase in the participation in the library system seems a pretty big win for the game.

I do not know how many others are in my situation but here's how I see it: I do have a knack for writing and have submitted some quality works to the library system before. I don't do so anymore. Credits offered by the city are no incentive. A change in my title for winning prestige is no incentive. A boost in city culture? Uh, I haven't cared about that in about 4 years A way to gain steady family honor that doesn't involve me having to spend large amounts of time (that I don't have) active in the game? Okay now that's a reason to dust off these half-baked ideas I have sitting around for books.

Even writing down crap and getting it published requires more effort than standing in one room with an influencing script for hours on end and we give honor for that!

Plus, as I said, all publications go through the critiquing stage, and I highly doubt that all 6 critiquing libraries will push through crap just to get it published.

Critiquing does not stop 'crap'.

Critiquing stops someone copy/pasting the same word 5,000,000 times.

There's nothing critique-able about someone making a really awful bodice ripper replete with steamy scenes and sighs of dismay / disgust. Or whatever is within one of these stories.

You know, just like people do in the real world.