Lusternia in WW II

by Lilia

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Lilia2011-06-22 18:11:55
My dad is doing research for his master's degree, which required a trip to the National Archives in DC and the archives at Carlise barracks. Since he's terrible with technology, and I don't have anything better to do, I went with him. I already knew more about WW II than most people my age, just from growing up with him. Now I'm an expert. (Not really, but I've learned a ton.

Anyways, he was telling me something about the relationship between Russia and the other Allied powers, and I thought, "Huh, that sounds a bit like Glomdoring." So I decided to match everyone up! It doesn't make sense historically, it's more about the relative strengths and contributions. There's no ideologies involved either. If you get matched up to Germany, I'm not calling you Nazis. Here we go!

We'll start in WW I, which I admittedly don't know much about.
Trinity/Allies
Glomdoring - Russia: For the Motherland! Used to have a pact with the Germans, but Bismarck didn't renew it when things started to get tense.
Celest - Britain: Best navy in the world.
Hallifax - US: The US was nominally neutral during most of WW I, but they still sent weapons and supplies to Britain. Then the Germans sunk the Lusitania, and the US had to get involved, or the American people would have thrown a fit. The US made very little real contribution.

IronHart/Central Powers
Magnagora - German Empire: Very strong Empire, but when Russia decided to side with the Allies, they had to face attack on three separate fronts.
Serewilde - Austria-Hungarian Empire: Another strong Empire. Along with the German Empire and the Ottoman Empire, they ceased to exist at the end of the war.
Gaudiguch - Bulgaria: Helped attack Serbia. While they did make some major contributions to the war, the main correlation here is the size of their forces. 1.2 million compared to 13.2 and 7.8 million for the German Empire and the Austria-Hungarian Empire.

Now on to WW II, where the lineup makes a bit more sense.
Equinox?/Allied Powers
Glomdoring - Russia: Most people seem to be under the impression that the US was the strongest Allied power of WW II, which is not the case. Poland and France were invaded and occupied before the war really got under way. Russia, on the other hand, was being invaded the entire time. The Germans got all the way to Moscow before the Russian winter defeated them, and the Russians gave them a bloody fight for every inch of ground.
Celest - Britain/US: Fighting was generally coordinated between the two, and only combined can they be considered an equal force to Russia.
Gaudiguch - Greece: Bet you didn't know Greece was even involved. They fought a few skirmishes against Italy.

IronHart/Axis Powers
Magnagora - Germany (sans Hitler): Almost unstoppable in the early years of the war, they would have won if Hitler hadn't got paranoid and started interfering with his Generals.
Serenwilde - Japan: The war in the Pacific was especially brutal, almost exclusively fought against the US.
Hallifax - Italy: Admit it, you forgot about Italy, didn't you.


I have to get in the car to drive to Cleveland now, so I won't see any responses, but please, respond anyways! I'm interested to see if other people think these correlations work, or if not, why.
Unknown2011-06-22 18:15:14
Where's Akui and her picture of robot nazis.
Turnus2011-06-22 18:23:06
The Banzai charge is definitely one of the Serenwilde's favored tactics (when we actually get organized to do something), for better or for worse.


BANZAIIIIIIIII!
Reiha2011-06-22 18:49:25
QUOTE (Turnus @ Jun 22 2011, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Banzai charge is definitely one of the Serenwilde's favored tactics (when we actually get organized to do something), for better or for worse.


BANZAIIIIIIIII!

....Ugh.
Unknown2011-06-22 18:49:44
QUOTE (Turnus @ Jun 22 2011, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Banzai charge is definitely one of the Serenwilde's favored tactics (when we actually get organized to do something), for better or for worse.


BANZAIIIIIIIII!

Hee. Quite true, probably because we have resurgem.
Diamondais2011-06-22 18:50:43
Surprised you didn't take the time to make use of the old "Omg Hallifax is communist Russia" joke. ninja.gif
Llesvelt2011-06-22 22:29:55
QUOTE (diamondais @ Jun 22 2011, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Surprised you didn't take the time to make use of the old "Omg Hallifax is communist Russia" joke. ninja.gif


Well, not as much a joke as a clear inspiration some places, such as "The Collectivist Manifesto" and quite a few things about the Sentinels (rank names in particular).
Unknown2011-06-22 23:03:29
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Jun 22 2011, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where's Akui and her picture of robot nazis.




YAY!


While I make such comparisons for blunt fun, going too deep always feels awkward. I'd rather compare things like, say Gaudi = Pirates in Pirates of the Carribean, and Hallifax = the British company peoples. Stuff that doesn't have to do mental acrobatics to compare (even if it is just for fun) our fictional places with complex real world countries that often contain moral implications indirectly in the comparisons.

That said, choke is still Nazis.
Lilia2011-06-23 00:58:53
QUOTE (diamondais @ Jun 22 2011, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Surprised you didn't take the time to make use of the old "Omg Hallifax is communist Russia" joke. ninja.gif

There's some more nuanced stuff that I completely forgot to mention. Russia had the best tanks, the T-34, but they didn't tell their allies about them. So when the Germans started beefing up their tanks to deal with the T-34 on the Eastern front, the Allies on the Western front were completely taken by surprise. The British never managed to develop a decent tank, and the US was happy with the Sherman tank, because it worked great against the tanks Germany used in the Spanish Civil and during the invasion of France. There was a tank in development, which eventually became the Pershing, that could have been better than the Tigers and Panthers (the German tanks), but since they didn't think they needed them, development went along at a leisurely pace. By the time they realized the needed them, it was way too late. That was what made me think of Glomdoring as Russia. They do their own thing, with very little concern about what their allies are doing. At least, that was the case when the Trinity was still in effect. I have reason to believe that Celest and Glomdoring work together more closely now, so the analogy only works if you don't look too deep.

Germany and Japan were very strong forces on their own, but because they were half a world apart, they were never able to work together. Serenwilde has a few people that will help with whatever Magnagora's doing, and Magnagora is quick to show up for Serenwilde's defense, but there's no coordinated effort.

And poor Halli/Gaudi, trying to help, but not able to do much. Italy made a few half-hearted attempts on Greece, which they were able to fend off, but not a whole lot went on down there.