From the posts, all he's done is tell his own order not to do such, which he has full control over. Who cares, really? If you disagree, you have a theological difference with your god and that order may not be the best fit for you, that's all.

That's a personal thing, not an organizational one.

I think you're forgetting the point where he's the only active god they have or something, so if they want anything done that requires a god to do it, they have to go to him.

I've nothing personal against Hoaracle except when it comes to screwing over the alliance.

Going to him for something doesn't require being in his order though... that's why I'm wondering how it's screwing the alliance, if people care more about it than their Order they have the ability to choose it. They can still do whatever they need to do with their Patron as desired.

I mean, I can see people in the Order being a bit miffed at having to make the decision. I would be myself if such was thrown at me, but that's not a reason to go undermining the God on an organizational level when it's not even something that's being done at the organizational level. Make your decisions on the Order level, decide if it's an Order you want to be in (with said restrictions), and then go with your decision.

Honestly, if it is screwing up the alliance that badly, I wouldnt' mind seeing some IC reprucussions come from it. Things in the game are pretty stale right now, it could use some shaking up, even if it's just a massive slap in the face.

I personally don't care for things being shaken up too much.

I don't play to win, so as long as the game is exciting and fresh, I'm good.

I play to kill, failing that, not die.

But you haven't killed anyone!

He's not very good at playing.

^All this.

Wrong thread. Ignore me.

The issue is: we don't have another active god to switch to. Like I said, it's mostly an IC thing to hash out, but yeah.. My issue is that I'm not in the order of H, and it's influencing the politics I have to deal with, in a pretty bad way. I think it may be a more prevalent concept in an org that hasn't had a really publicly active god for a while, but we do give all the essence to the god, and I know that I've offered 4-5mil+ in a very short time (this to a god I'm not in the order of) and I didn't even get a tip of the hat, so I stopped.

I brought this thing up specifically, because I don't like the general way orders are so totally intimatly tied into orgs, so that it's interfering with player politics, and order are being pressured to enemy right and left. It especially bothers me when we have all these old god realms that we feel somewhat obligated to go defend (them being in our pantheon), but aren't equipped to defend really well. We don't have many members in all of these orders, and since killing god realm denizens dosn't cost the god essence (does it?), it seems to me that it's more in the realm of pure RP stuff. Which we have to sacrifice, because it's devilishly hard to get initiative on a god realm defense.

I heard that last time an order told their God to cut xyz out admins flipped out about it.

Ask Everiine how he feels about Gods, Godrealms, and politics. He openly calls people out for making non-Order members defend Godrealms, he argues with people when they say that Orders should have more influence, and he refuses to show allegiance to any God. It is perfectly possible to stand up to the BS.

EDIT: Oh, and about Orders not being intimately tied to an org, that went out with the window with That-Which-Must-Not-Be-Named.

Eh, I don't know about that. I got away for years and years with heretical theologies in Magnagora. (Fain is evil! Soulless worship should get you ousted! The ninjakari are evil! The Fates are not to be trusted! The Heresiarch is a secret fatalist! Elostian is awesome!)

I love you.

I would you, if it weren't for your signature .

Most of the people who dislike my signature have never seen the show.

I still love you.

Killing godrealm mobs does hurt God essence.

Now I will ramble.

To me it seems like the players in Serenwilde have been forced into devolving from their supposed in-character stances into just hating players from Glomdoring, and probably Celest. It's not entirely their fault... they are basically forced into alliance with Magnagora, but I think the inherent issues with that have never been properly resolved. Hoaracle would appear to be doing exactly what he should, which is looking at an alliance between Serenwilde and Magnagora with scorn. Moreso even than their hatred of Glomdoring, Serenwilde seems designed to be opposed to the Taint. (that is where their hatred of Glomdoring supposedly stems from anyway, the belief that it is tainted.)

The gods are there to guide our rp, and it doesn't seem like there is any rp resolution to Serenwilde loving the heck out of those who revel in the blight that has desecrated huge portions of the natural world. I recall a conversation with Rika from when I was a newbie saying she wouldn't even eat horehound because it grew from the taint (though would sip antidote, because horehound's presence there had been purified by moondancers alchemists). So it is interesting to see this same person basically arguing now that necessity demands to put rp aside. Not trying to attack you here, Rika, I'm just using this as a specific anecdote that speaks to the shift from Serenwilde players from hardcore NATURE FIRST to, well, you know, just don't think about it.

I agree with Everiine that it's probably time for a serious shakeup to keep things interesting. I like the Celest players, and our alliance works pretty well, but we too on both sides are guilty of ignoring some degree of established role-play for the sake of an easy alliance. I couldn't say the cracks are showing, because they've always been pretty obvious, but well.

I wish that there would be an event/consequent mechanical feature that somehow manages to sever all ties for a time. It would be interesting for all the orgs to be a bit more grounded in their own ideals, because at this point it really does seem to be a pretty ooc arrangements of things.

I am so glad we never allied with Gaudiguch, that would have been stupid.

Came damned close, though.