To be fair, I'm pretty sure Lisaera's is basically a deadend. Charune might have hope with Sarra if she bothers, not sure about Maylea.

I kinda wish that truly inactive/gone gods would have their shrine powers turned off and their realms made un-raidable, just make everything invulnerable and uninfluence-able

Edit: Leave them as RP institutions if players want to pick them back up, but when there are like... 2 people, remove the mechanics which get draggy/un-viable at that point.

I had a discussion the other day, Serenwilde is the sort of place that, moreso than other orgs, I would like to read a good book about. The problem for me is, somewhere it loses it in the execution. I think its in the narrative of the thing. Every other org can, to some greater or lesser degree, beat the drums and chant "DERP (LIGHT|TAINT|WYRD|COLLECTIVE|FREEDOM) DERP", and then structure some nonsense about that. Seren never seems to know exactly where it is going, so it makes it harder to do that. This is compounded by Glom's RP essentially being able to hijack most things they can do, but not really vice versa.

So you run RP through the lens of Serenwilde, and you get, more than other orgs, people spiraling off with their own RP, and take on things, factionalizing, and even arguing. Which is cool from an RP perspective, but absolutely crippling in whatever sort of game Lusternia has become.

Thus, its hard for me to see fault with Horacle. The RP is incredibly valid, even cool. It would make a good book, with portions of the forest holding true to some ideal, and others making sacrifice of it to merely exist when they are constantly besieged by (to their view) the self delusional, the corrupt, the fanatical, and the mad. However, it does not make a good game, because there's no "plot armor". You just get run over by combatant wads who aren't hindered in the slightest by their RP, over and over, until you wonder first why this is OK, and second why you're bothering at all.

Yeah. I really love a lot of the RP hooks of Lusty, but I hate how you end up having to sacrifice them.

Moon bubble, for instance, is really tied in with the idea of Serenwilde. But it's total ass to defend, and nothing there is Loyal to Seren or Moon, so there isn't any point. So we don't. I feel like we lose part of our RP for that, but we can't do anything about it.

I feel that way about almost all order mechanics, period. There are cool ideas there, but they get trashed by the way politics works and the way that godrealms/order privs work, and it's lame.

Edit: And yes, I've been in active orders, in orgs that had active gods.

I'm in Hoaracle's order and I still go to Nil and on occasion Godrealms to kill people. Sometimes a person or two gets on my case about it and I say something like "I shouldn't be forbidden from killing Gloms just 'cus they're hiding on Nil."

I'm going to close this thread down, on a few reasons.

One, a few of you are carrying old battle wounds and generally pointed anger towards a collection of administrators and/or single administrators - which should either be dealt with via support@lusternia.com, or in-game.

Two, it's generally veered from its original (non-)topic and delved into an area that leaves everyone involved bitter.

I will, however, come to Hoaracle's defense, in my last valiant moment, as the proverbial administrative white knight.

If New Celest were to react the way some of you are towards Hoaracle, were it Eventru told his order not to defend Magnagora or Glomdoring (which he's told them, on several occasions, he views them as being one in the same, and at times Glomdoring as the greater threat), New Celest would deeply and forever rue that very egregious error. I know New Celest is quite spoiled due to having an active patron who is eager to be involved - if they were to spurn that, they would find themselves with no patron (or a patron who refuses to do anything for them) and have a reputation of being unpleasant towards (which tends to turn away admin from joining said organization/joining it as a new/returning god role willingly).

If you never want to see an event, never want to see another guild hall addition, never want to see another speck of attention from your patrons, abuse and insult and treat them like some of you seem deeply inclined.

We're volunteers, and I'll happily lay my opinion on the matter out and clear - New Celest is free to do as they please, within the realm of reason. But if they blatantly go out of their way to insult Eventru and how/what he tells his order to do (or not do), they'd go back to where they were before I took on the role of Eventru (essentially patronless) - and would be that way for an exceptionally long time, I suspect.

Unlike your characters, whose roleplay seem so fluid and willing to change opinions and ideologies (but not spouses, *eye Xenthos*), you're completely daft if you think an Elder God is going to so radically change their opinion because you got your panties in a twist over something a merian said about your mother.

That said, I have a deep suspicion Hoaracle didn't so much as say, "Don't ever defend Magnagora!" but instead "Hoom, I am not happy to see my saplings defending the Traitor's children" (or something akin to that)

If you can't understand why Elder Gods tend to be so set in their beliefs, fine - but to Hoaracle (or any Elder God), the span of your 'war' and shifting alliances are a blink of an eye, but the horrors and atrocities Fain and Morgfyre have committed reach deep into all of the Elder Gods' histories. Even then, you see people, Elder Gods see little bits and pieces of taint, that which is the corruption of the soulless potentially poisoning and spreading and destroying that which they cherish and want to protect. Even beyond that, an Elder God like Hoaracle is a Meditator (Third Circle), and so has an extreme focus on the 'soul' and the essence that flows through all living things - which is corrupted, eaten and subverted by the taint. Something I can certainly sympathize with - Eventru having been a First who lead the Hamadhi, he shares many of the same concerns (except about Glomdoring) - and is never afraid to voice them. And does. Regularly!

(And the Moon Bubble WAS loyal to Moonspirit, until Serenwilde cried so god awful loudly about it being raided that it was unloyaled. Man, never can please the woodland folk (or Celest!).)