Problem with that Turnus, is that you get a system similar to what happened with Demi's. Some of the most voiciferous people in the initial Demi downgrade were mortals, they've now reached Demi and I'm sure I've seen some of the same people calling for upgrades now. Why not let the Ascendant costs get dropped a bit, they're weren't gamebreaking before and they'll hardly be gamebreaking now. Better to get it right this time round and not have it again in a couple of years when Ascendant's are more numerous again.

Lowering essence costs I don't really care about. Lowering weight costs just increases the gap between the haves and the have-nots on something that has a coded in soft-cap (or as Akui likes to call it, special snowflakes).

Turnus:

Lowering essence costs I don't really care about. Lowering weight costs just increases the gap between the haves and the have-nots on something that has a coded in soft-cap (or as Akui likes to call it, special snowflakes).

Excepting a couple of things:
1) The ones having their weight lowered generally really don't have a great effect, they were just put in with massively over-priced weighting for no particular reason, and
2) Lower weight means that it's easier for non-Ascendants to buy them as well with their much more limited weighting, if something can go through that allows non-Ascendants to pick something up (via seals, via an artifact, etc).

Giving people greater access to the abilities is far better than keeping it as locked up as it is.

Xenthos:

Excepting a couple of things:
1) The ones having their weight lowered generally really don't have a great effect, they were just put in with massively over-priced weighting for no particular reason, and
2) Lower weight means that it's easier for non-Ascendants to buy them as well with their much more limited weighting, if something can go through that allows non-Ascendants to pick something up (via seals, via an artifact, etc).

Giving people greater access to the abilities is far better than keeping it as locked up as it is.

This.

Thanks Xenthos, said it better than I could.

Malarious:

Weight should be the main cost with essence secondary or the essence cost should be very high (second trade) if its non combatish.

I'm not understanding why you think essence cost should be very high if it's a non-combat skill. I don't really have an issue with the second trade skill being so high, but I wouldn't say I feel that it's properly costed simply because it's a non-com skill, or that the rest of them should be raised that high. Could you clarify?

Sojiro:

Depends on if you're assuming whether you can purchase them as a set or just one at a time like right now, cause it's definitely not the former.

Previously, demigods used to have these stats, but they were deemed too much. I feel that possibly allowing them back (in a limited capacity due to weights) would be good.

So a second purchasable point? If so, I'm behind that.
I though you wanted a second +1 racial to everything, as per titan.

Ew, no.

Just a second purchasable point. It could even cost more weight compared to the first one if deemed necessary.

Opening powers up to everybody sure, opening them up to a capped number I'm less than thrilled about. And I'm highly skeptical that ascendant powers will ever be opened up - Estarra has basically said no to that before I believe. I don't really care enough to look it up, but I think its out there somewhere possibly even in this thread.

The combat potential of demigods versus mortals is too large already for my taste. I got demigod recently, and the difference is amazing. Please stick to improving RP and utility, but stay out of statpoints and combat.

And yet everyone can get Demigod, quite easily, too, these days. It's better to balance from the top that everyone can reach, so as to avoid less-than-desirable side-effects.

EDIT: And what is Demigod, anyway? It's just +regen, with the option to buy +stats. Then you'd consider the colossal costs of Phoenix, the considerably huge rift between Demigod vs Ascendants in Domoths... Personally, I feel like Demigod is just a psychological boon that makes people feel invincible, and thus act accordingly.

Titan is nice. Demigod isn't very much more than that, and losing Conglutination has it's own downsides. The only things that changed for me in combat is that I'm slightly more tanky now, I hit diminishing returns on Charisma a bit faster, and I can help zaptrain someone if we happen to have enough demigods with zap around, I suppose.

The biggest difference I notice and love about Demigod? Ascend to the Havens. Can't get stuck anywhere anymore, woo!

Even more statpoints available is a can of worms I'd just as soon not open. Stats are one of those baseline changes that can carry significant repricussions. I mean, heck, look at the race thread.

Worse to my mind here, where more stats come at the cost of more demi-power weight, and demi-power weight being a resource that is far more plentiful for some than others. (omg Special little snowflakes!)

Even if the admin said, "screw it, everyone gets the same maximum weight cap", it still strikes me as something that could cause problems balancing things.

Maybe, I'm a bit torn eitherway, but at the very least, all suggestions are just that: suggestions. Then again, high stats shouldn't overly hurt if you introduce enough downside to it like enough powers weight/cost/etc, or even make it weighted.

Combat powers suggestions:
-Blocking (functions like block firm or dependent on size, doesn't matter really. If functions off size, should cost less weight)
-Web-like effect (maybe ropes or something)
-Illusions (functions like the wand of illusions)
-Ability that lets you know when someone enters the room adjacent to yours.

Sylphas:

Titan is nice. Demigod isn't very much more than that, and losing Conglutination has it's own downsides. The only things that changed for me in combat is that I'm slightly more tanky now, I hit diminishing returns on Charisma a bit faster, and I can help zaptrain someone if we happen to have enough demigods with zap around, I suppose.

The biggest difference I notice and love about Demigod? Ascend to the Havens. Can't get stuck anywhere anymore, woo!

Theoretically, you don't lose Conglutination completely. It still kicks in when you phoenix off-Prime. Essence cost to phoenix is reduced.

Raeri:


Theoretically, you don't lose Conglutination completely. It still kicks in when you phoenix off-Prime. Essence cost to phoenix is reduced.

Well that's good to know.

Aegis, Deathaura, BreathOfLife, and a couple others are not minor. And some powers I rather not see rampant.

I said I dont mind it being low weight if its high cost for noncom powers. 0 weight or 1 weight for custom entry is fine. Something like a second trade for 2 million essence though is a no, that IS a combat power no matter how you try to argue it. I have tattoos and poisons, I am tankier and harder to kill from that ability.

Who seriously asked for a second trade at 2 million essence?

And I can tell you that Aegis is seriously over-weighted for what it does; I didn't even bother purchasing it until I had a lot of free weight, and I still haven't used all of my current allowance. It's not like I couldn't, there's just nothing really worth it to me.

It's also not like 35 weighting is 'cheap'... 35 would allow a Demi to buy it and still have another little thing or two, assuming we do manage to get some way to open it up. They just would have to give up pretty much every other option.

No one argued that breathe of life and the free power for life that is deathaura being well worth their value if not higher. I do not see them as being needed to be lower, especially if manna becomes readily available.

Breath of life is somewhat lame.

Malarious:

No one argued that breathe of life and the free power for life that is deathaura being well worth their value if not higher. I do not see them as being needed to be lower, especially if manna becomes readily available.

... breath of life is not well worth its weight.

It was once upon a time, but it got nerfed with a hammer. It kept the same weighting and cost.

The auras can be debated; the life one especially is overpriced given that it doesn't even fire when you immolate someone so the only way to use it for most guilds is to buy BoL. The only real reason for suggesting that the DeathAura one be adjusted was to keep it in line with the Life one, though I will admit that it is a fair bit more useful (less restricted).