I figured it out. You are ryylaet

Bye, have fun elsewhere.

Also, if Glomdoring made poor decisions, I think it'd reflect on the organization's performance (because alliances are, in fact, quite necessary in this day and age). Considering how Team Glomdoring-Celest-Gaudiguch are performing better than Team Serenwilde-Magnagora-Hallifax (plus, like, we just recently raised a True Ascendant), I'd daresay we're making good decisions.

You know when you leave a guild you can keep all those skills until you choose to forget them. I don't think that Glom would have a problem letting you back in if you calmed down and apologized. If you find yourself too proud to do that, then honestly we prefer you go find somewhere where your self-importance will not impede you ability to enjoy the game, possibly a game with no org structures that you are expected to adhere to.

The fact that you have alienated one of the most novice friendly players in the entire game tells me that you really won't fit in here.

foolofsound:

You know when you leave a guild you can keep all those skills until you choose to forget them. I don't think that Glom would have a problem letting you back in if you calmed down and apologized. If you find yourself too proud to do that, then honestly we prefer you go find somewhere where your self-importance will not impede you ability to enjoy the game, possibly a game with no org structures that you are expected to adhere to.

The fact that you have alienated one of the most novice friendly players in the entire game tells me that you really won't fit in here.

Can't say I agree with that by a long shot. I've found chars like Kylsiu, Svorai, and Iktomi much more helpful when it comes to novices. Honestly, I've never gotten an ounce of help from Druken.

What does it tell you when you're sitting behind your computers, telling people to stop playing a game you support, simply because they do not agree with some of the things in the game? I've always considered Lusternia to be one of the better IRE games, though I played Achaea for years because of familiarity. Never, not once, have I ever had to deal with this much attitude problem from a forum. Not even in Achaea, and they have an awful reputation. When I first got here, I thought the playerbase was beyond reproach. Now though, well your true colors are seeping through.

Look at the title of this thread, then go and search for the countless threads dedicated to player retention. Ask yourselves why exactly that is. Give yourselves honest, unbiased, answers and I think you may have found your entire problem.

Edited to add: Honestly, I don't expect any post I post here to make a difference, however. General players tend to be set in their ways.

By the way, you all were singing my praises (liking posts) when I was posting nothing but good things about Lusternia. Post something bad, and the whole playerbase comes down on you.

The reason we have problems with Player retention is that people like me are generally unhelpful. I hate novices, for the most part. Not because we're stodgy old folks sticking to our RP. We aren't losing players because they're trying to express opinions, and we interpret it as disrespect, nor are we losing useful, meaningful, helpful, good players because pretentious brats are spouting inane claims about alliances and org RP, and then ragequitting.

Ooh, forum drama.

I don't understand how IC policies that ensure continued alliances don't make any sense. How does "If friendly orgs catch you taking their property and they ask for it back, you're obliged to give it to them" not make any sense?

In fact, your forum tantrum certainly doesn't help the situation. Especially when you accuse the forums of coming down on you even though you're Completely Innocent (tm).

Honestly? It's because we think that your complaints aren't justified. You didn't bother to explain how you were "wronged", and from what I have gathered, you seem to have a problem acting subordinate to your superiors (and yes, people in leadership positions are your superiors. You don't have to like them, but you do have to respect them, and honestly, you should be doing so in character (how can you expect to hold down a job IRL if you are rude to your boss?).

This is a game. This is not real life. This is a game. This is not real life.

Sorry, but I thought I should repeat that a time or two. In a GAME, chars act differently than they would in real life. Thank you very much, but I hold down a job perfectly fine. I do have a problem acting subordinate to characters in a fantasy game who have gathered their power on the internet. Again, this is a game. Groveling and agreeing with every word spoken by the org you are a member of should not be a requirement for playing here, or anywhere else. In fact, it isn't anywhere else. Believe me, I've played them all.

Don't compare yourself to others, you brought this on yourself with your attitude. You try to justify yyourself by ushinng the respponsibility on to us. I will totally take credit for outguilding a mouthy crybaby who ragequit glom because we didn't go tto war over a few pieces of essence. Zip up your man suit and grow a pair.

ForgotOldForumName:

This is a game. This is not real life. This is a game. This is not real life.

Sorry, but I thought I should repeat that a time or two. In a GAME, chars act differently than they would in real life. Thank you very much, but I hold down a job perfectly fine. I do have a problem acting subordinate to characters in a fantasy game who have gathered their power on the internet. Again, this is a game. Groveling and agreeing with every word spoken by the org you are a member of should not be a requirement for playing here, or anywhere else. In fact, it isn't anywhere else. Believe me, I've played them all.

Frankly, this is why I play Glomdoring.
NOTHING MATTERS BUT GLOMDORING.
Guess what, this game has an organization where your opinions, your pride, and your desires are completely unwanted, and irrelevant. #Uniqueorgidea?

Edit: I've often wondered why Serenwilde continues to keep CHELP NOHARDQUESTIONS or whatever it is, because it always seemed hurtful and unnecessary to me. Now I think I understand better.

This thread is a study in not responding to a troll.

I feel like this forum drama reveals that someone made a Glom 'novice' and tried to cause a ruckus so they could try and rock the Glom-Gaudi-Celest-boat. Their failure to do so, brings them here to gnash their teeth on how terrible it is that we don't play the game they want us to play. Now using the 'we have problems with novices' thread to paint themselves a victim. This whole thing stinks of manufactured controversy.

Your posts make me want to recommend you play Solitaire, no ones 'butt to lick' there! Also for someone supposedly not interested in bowing to Princes, you sure did cave and quit the second someone suggested it. If that really actually happened, which I doubt.

SheiaSilverwing:

I feel like this forum drama reveals that someone made a Glom 'novice' and tried to cause a ruckus so they could try and rock the Glom-Gaudi-Celest-boat.

Conspiracy? Are you sure that you aren't the troll?

For the record, I have an obscenely high tolerance for people being disrespectful. When I was the guildmaster of the Harbingers for a while, my predecessor, Jayden (who will attest to this, and has done so somewhere in these forums!) went out of his way to make my job very challenging. He was passive aggressive, moody, tried to instigate a coup, and inevitably, quit on his own because he didn't like it when I disfavoured him for being pointedly hostile toward me about things I cannot control.


I did not, and would not (and have the logs to prove it), return the aggressive behaviour to someone just for being actively frustrated about something. However, I also let you know when my tolerance for disrespect was waning, and the passive aggressive attitude about--and blunt dislike of--the Glomdoring and all of her policies continued. I suggested that if you do not like how things are run in Glomdoring, on such a fundamental level, that you might be happier somewhere else.

The ball, as it were, was always in your court.

Edit: Kylsiu, Svorai, and Iktomi belong to the Blacktalon guild and I am the guild administrator of the Shadowdancers. While I will always, and without hesitation, answer questions on CGT, I admit that I will not go out of my way to encourage the novices of other guilds to tell me all of their problems if it looks like they're getting along just fine with the cadre of helpful people in their own guilds. Sorry if that's disappointing to you!

To the actual threads purpose I'll say this:

I'm not entirely sure there is more of a youth problem here then there is in every MUD ever made. MUDs have always had problems like this and probably always will. In the end all MUDs are competing for a limited and shrinking pool of people that are interested in playing them at all. However for the sake of argument I'll continue on the basis that there is a Lusternia problem.

None of the below can make players interact with novices, but nothing can really. People will choose to do that or not. I myself often go out of my way to interact with novices of other guilds or even other orgs! However I'm often disappointed as they simply disappear no matter how much time I spend with them. I just keep doing it as I'm pretty resilient about that kind of thing, but I see why some get burned out on it. In light of that I think we should go on the assumption that novices will be completely alone and design from there.

Someone mentioned first impressions in a MUD being important. For me that is the actual first thing you see when you try a MUD for the first time. I wouldn't mind seeing an updated intro area, as the current one has been patched and hammered so much that it looks a little disjointed to me. I like the fates RP and the flavor of it all, I mean the mechanics of it. I think it might be nice if the intro showed you the firstaid and autocuring commands, after making you learn them, or maybe they should be changed to simply be the first ability in their skill. An intro that is as targeted at what you really need to know, as the Collegiums are, and ends with you appearing at your chosen home's Nexus or Collegium would be nice.

I think if the Admin maybe look at what its like to log in totally new and get to say level 50 and be a full guild member, we can shape things to make that path not necessarily easier but more tailored.

Some things to think about are maybe upping innocence, allowing people to stay in Newton, and maybe portals to level 31? Currently its very hard to stay below 21 and do your collegium tasks plus finish Newton. Which leads people to intentionally get themselves killed to drop below 21.

What if novices start with a temporary artifact, that makes the firstaid skill act as if you have every herb cure and potion cure there is until your level 31, and then it disappears.

The Magnagora Power quest, which you need to do if you want to graduate their collegium without waiting, could probably have the spectres be made killable by those of a lower level. The same for the mobs needed by the Hallifax power one.

I'll post more later.

Conspiracy? Are you sure that you aren't the troll?

One person wanting to rock the boat, is no conspiracy. If you think a lone person won't take it upon themselves to manufacture a problem so that they can achieve an ulterior goal, then your naive. I know because I've done this! Just instead of pretending to be a novice and doing it in another Org, I did it with Sheia in Celest. I simply didn't come cry to the forums when it didn't go my way.

Just because you've done it, doesn't mean everyone else is as idiotic as to try such a thing. It's no secret that I don't agree with the alliances that are formed here (I posted a thread about it, actually), but that also doesn't mean that they bother me enough irl that I would go through all that trouble. Might I add, in doing so, wasting about $300 on a char that is now basically unplayable.

I ranted because it is worthy of rant. Anyone would be pissed about losing money in this economy.

And Druken, your post was about the only one that was done so in a respectible manner (without baseless alt/troll claims) even though my rant was focused more on you personally. I'd like you to know that I appreciate that.

ForgotOldForumName:

Just because you've done it, doesn't mean everyone else is as idiotic as to try such a thing. It's no secret that I don't agree with the alliances that are formed here (I posted a thread about it, actually), but that also doesn't mean that they bother me enough irl that I would go through all that trouble. Might I add, in doing so, wasting about $300 on a char that is now basically unplayable.

I ranted because it is worthy of rant. Anyone would be pissed about losing money in this economy.

Everyone's entitled to a bad day or twelve. It's unfortunate that you had a bad experience both with Gaudiguch and with not receiving the reaction you expected from Glomdoring. It doesn't mean the character is ruined. I think you should just ignore the incident, which, from reading, seems more like a combination of several bad things - a fluke - rather than the standard normal. Carrying on and on about it won't serve, just keep your head down for a day or two, and then bring Druken a cookie and make up. This reads like a mountain/molehill situation.

I have no disagreement that the money loss sucks! I didn't rock the boat on Sheia because of any RL issue, I just did it because it was fun and this is a game. I had a lot more money in Sheia than $300 and was booted from Celest, and I didn't moan about it on the forums, I was simply going to do something else, I've always wanted to play a bad guy anyway! You raged quit and that's your fault and no one else!

Why is your character unplayable? Because you think people might dislike you know? Tell that to Munsia, she is almost universally hated and seems to get along just fine! More power to her!

This still seems to be a situation where you tried to do something and it didn't work the way you wanted, and instead of putting your head down and trying again later, you raged quit but don't want to cop to it.

Make no mistake that I have as a player some love of Celest-Gaudi-Glom, if that collapsed tomorrow it'd not make a difference to me! I love a good shake up. That being said I'm happy if it stays as well. Mag-Seren-Halli won't lose forever, these things always change with time.

SheiaSilverwing:

One person wanting to rock the boat, is no conspiracy. If you think a lone person won't take it upon themselves to manufacture a problem so that they can achieve an ulterior goal, then your naive. I know because I've done this! Just instead of pretending to be a novice and doing it in another Org, I did it with Sheia in Celest. I simply didn't come cry to the forums when it didn't go my way.

:blink: I really don't know what to say to that other than I would never consider doing so, nor would I ever condone someone else doing so. That sort of action is grossly out-of-character.

ForgotOldForumName:

Just because you've done it, doesn't mean everyone else is as idiotic as to try such a thing. It's no secret that I don't agree with the alliances that are formed here (I posted a thread about it, actually), but that also doesn't mean that they bother me enough irl that I would go through all that trouble. Might I add, in doing so, wasting about $300 on a char that is now basically unplayable.

Your character is hardly unplayable. With an apology and promise of good behavior I'm sure someone will take you. Hell, Glom took Vermilla after Mag ejected her.

ForgotOldForumName:



And Druken, your post was about the only one that was done so in a respectible manner (without baseless alt/troll claims) even though my rant was focused more on you personally. I'd like you to know that I appreciate that.

I do what I can.