foolofsound:

Your character is hardly unplayable. With an apology and promise of good behavior I'm sure someone will take you. Hell, Glom took Vermilla after Mag ejected her.

Yeah, Glom has proved a welcome haven for several people who have got fed up with Magnagora, but this remark seems unnecessarily biting and personal towards one individual who many others find to be a delight. Hmph.

EDIT: there is a tl;dr at the bottom...

This entire thread explosion is pretty crazy!

Yes, it's a game, but no.. you don't get to just do whatever! No, you don't get to just ignore all the work people have put in ahead of you! (On the more positive side:) Yes, if you break IC laws or agreements, you will be attacked and/or killed! Yes, if you are inflammatory you will be shunned! Yes, people DO have IC reasons for the things they do, and will likely be happy (OOC) to discuss or argue those reasons with you (IC), depending on how that would make their (IC) self react!

If you came to my (eponymous) character IC and started going on about how Magnagora shouldn't be our ally, I'll come right back at you with my fully IC reasoning for why we shouldn't shake up our alliances and how Magnagora is as good as any! Come to me and argue about why you don't think you should be charged for leaving your demesne up in EthWilde and I'll come right back at you with the reasons why (and will fine you anyways.)! If I catch you (as a city folk) loitering on Faethorn, I'll ask you to leave. If you throw a fit, I'll call in my org (and possibly Glom) and we'll kill you. If I catch you loitering around the Hives, I'll kill you (have an IC reason to protect the hives, as it turns out)!

What you should do in all of these situations is see that they ALL occur for IC reasons, and that instead of throwing a fit and leaving (Someone said something about mountains and small hills left by burrowing animals) and ranting OOC about it, you should find a way that your character would reconcile these events with what the (IC) reality of things is. More often than not, I find, this ends up with your character remaining in your guild/org! I've had some nasty spats with people in the orgs I've played in (including Glom, back in the day), but in the end I stayed where I was, more determined to take a position of power myself so I could right the wrongs my character perceived in the system!

If you have some sort of beef with legacy players monopolizing politics, I'm going to have to ask you to look again. Enyalida became Guild Master before the age of 23! Sometimes you don't have luck, in that you have several capable and active leaders that you can't really take spots from, but with a bit of elbow grease you can enjoy the privileges of power yourself, even if you aren't a voted leader! I've gotten to GR 14+ that way, without grabbing any leadership positions, but working as a Secretary and Collegium teacher!

Yes, it's a game, but most of us feel the highest sense of accomplishment and fun when we have overcome some sort of challenge! That's the idea quests are based around, and the concept around which any good advancement system is structured. You present some sort of preset and defined, immutable challenge; you reward people for overcoming the challenge!

All in all, I think you should seriously consider just viewing this as a challenge for your character (in-character) to overcome, not something you need to overcome ooc. Join back up with Glom, or move elsewhere. If you think you were ignored too much, become an aide to the ambassador and work to pick up interaction! Speak with your guildmaster and commune leader about the possibility of forming a more formal treaty with Gaudi (I have a speech prepared for that, actually! I like to think that back in the day I nearly got Hallifax to agree to truce with Gaudi! Not the other way around, sadly.), so that 'injustices' can be righted. If you don't understand or like parts of guild or commune law, speak with your leaders and present a case and be persistent, and I can pretty much guarantee you'll at least be listened to, I've met and interacted with all of the current Glom leadership. Don't equate 'listening to' with 'acting on everything suggested by this random person who hasn't put in any work to understand or contribute', though. That's what it'll sound like if you march in DEMANDING things. It's happened in Serenwilde, and we had to eventually make a public hearing of it to shut crazy people up.

EDIT: Sorry about the long, and I hope I didn't come off offensivly.

tl;dr: I think you just need to view the entire (fairly minor, imo) event as part of your character's development, instead of throwing away your time, effort, and money investment. The rest is me explaining that I think you're wrong about people being wildly OOC.

Blagh doublepost, but I'd also like to note that my original character's FIRST DEFINING (on screen) EVENT was being totally and utterly rejected by Isune's order and Celest in general. It was totally IC though (no matter how much I/my character didn't like it) so I picked up and wove that into my ongoing narrative.

foolofsound:

:blink: I really don't know what to say to that other than I would never consider doing so, nor would I ever condone someone else doing so. That sort of action is grossly out-of-character.

How is this out of character?

Here's an example: I play Sheia, I go to Ethereal and lure Fae to Raziela, I don't actually care about the Fae being brought to Raziela, I just want Celest to stop working with the Forests because they don't respect the Light. That's exactly something I did, a long long time ago. How is that OOC? It is perfectly in character for a Celestine, at the time at least.


Enyalida reminds me I want to play with people from the other orgs more often. :( I guess I need to loiter on Faethorn more often!

I think he read 'ulterior motive' as being 'ulterior to your character'.

SheiaSilverwing:

This thread is a study in not responding to a troll.

I feel like this forum drama reveals that someone made a Glom 'novice' and tried to cause a ruckus so they could try and rock the Glom-Gaudi-Celest-boat. Their failure to do so, brings them here to gnash their teeth on how terrible it is that we don't play the game they want us to play. Now using the 'we have problems with novices' thread to paint themselves a victim. This whole thing stinks of manufactured controversy.

While I agree the individual in question is overreacting, I don't think that this is a fair or realistic judgment to make at all. And that's probably the furthest extent to which I'm going to touch this issue.

Enyalida has the right of it.

If you don't like the law, then get it changed. Become the law, if you're willing to go that far.

It's better and more effective to work within the system than without; ranting on the forums instead of trying to instigate IC change won't endear you to anyone, ICly or OOCly though.

SheiaSilverwing:

How is this out of character?

Here's an example: I play Sheia, I go to Ethereal and lure Fae to Raziela, I don't actually care about the Fae being brought to Raziela, I just want Celest to stop working with the Forests because they don't respect the Light. That's exactly something I did, a long long time ago. How is that OOC?

Intentionally creating a character with the purpose of sabotaging an enemy org or orgs is wildly OOC.

Talan:

Yeah, Glom has proved a welcome haven for several people who have got fed up with Magnagora, but this remark seems unnecessarily biting and personal towards one individual who many others find to be a delight. Hmph.

I, and I'm certain a number of other Mags, have significant bad memories of interacting with Vermilla (both OOC and IC), and especially of the absolute fiasco that lead to her ejection. If you like her that is your own perogative, but I feel that she chose to act the way she did, and should be held accountable for the resentment she left behind. I feel that your remark is insulting to Mag as a whole, and suggest that if you have a problem with my comments on an individual, that you not immediatly turn around and insult my org.

Thanks to those of you who offered -constructive- input. I'll certainly consider the options. But, you couldn't OOCly pay me to play another char in Glomdoring after all this mess.

As for doing something about it ICly, you can't when no one listens and are convinced that they are right no matter what, heh.

ICly, it does offer some nice RP opportunities that involve a deep, seething hatred of Glomdoring. :P

It's cool bro, the rest of the game functions off burning OOC hatred too.

That's your decision.

Going to disagree here. It doesn't seem (From your accounts) like you tried, and several of the top leadership is pretty open to talking.

Just know that if anyone explains, it's likely to bring up deep seething humor at your character, for being worked up over what seems like not much. Even my character doesn't have much of a deep-seething hatred for Glom.

ForgotOldForumName:

ICly, it does offer some nice RP opportunities that involve a deep, seething hatred of Glomdoring. :P

Perfect!

ForgotOldForumName:

Thanks to those of you who offered -constructive- input. I'll certainly consider the options. But, you couldn't OOCly pay me to play another char in Glomdoring after all this mess.

As for doing something about it ICly, you can't when no one listens and are convinced that they are right no matter what, heh.

ICly, it does offer some nice RP opportunities that involve a deep, seething hatred of Glomdoring. :P

Come to Mag! We have demons and steampunk and social darwinism!

Let the record also show that I probably wouldn't have concerned myself at all with this stuff If I hadn't offered the person in question my gem of cloaking to bypass the rules. That's when the drama started.

But I really, truly am a novice-hating, hardcore antagonist of people's playtime. Truly. Really. Ask anyone.

Haha, if we're recruiting...

You can always join the Hartstone, and minimize lesson loss. We're working on some new/old RP stuff, and (hopefully) getting a new advancement system running. Expect a bit of trouble getting in, but nothing major. We might even whip out some new dedication ritual type things for converts from Blacktalon, hmmmmm.

foolofsound:

I, and I'm certain a number of other Mags, have significant bad memories of interacting with Vermilla (both OOC and IC), and especially of the absolute fiasco that lead to her ejection. If you like her that is your own perogative, but I feel that she chose to act the way she did, and should be held accountable for the resentment she left behind. I feel that your remark is insulting to Mag as a whole, and suggest that if you have a problem with my comments on an individual, that you not immediatly turn around and insult my org.

Technically, since the subtext of your post was that Glom had picked up your org's trash, you started it... but you're right. Since the gist I was trying to convey, was along the lines of "let's not get in to all that here," I both confess and retract my snarkiness. The girl in question here is clearly passionate, she'd be an asset to any org, provided this inclination to cause a ruckus was a one-shot deal.

I actualy meant the Vermilla comment as a complement for Glom, that they are willing to give people whom I would show the door second (and third, and fourth...) shots.

foolofsound:

Intentionally creating a character with the purpose of sabotaging an enemy org or orgs is wildly OOC.

I said I thought they wanted to rock the boat, and creating a character that seeks to do so, I see no problem with. If I was a Glom I would take essence from other Orgs and give it to Glom, nothing matters but Glomdoring after all. If I was told to stop, I would, and then work out how I could rock the boat in other ways. But I have no problem with IC ulterior motives for characters. But only when your going to actually play that character not quit after it doesn't work!

If ForgotOldForumName says they where not doing this however then I believe them! I apologize for not giving them the benefit of the doubt!

At the very least, work more with the various Glomdoring-folks so you can form a more solid reason to loathe the forest (and therefore reinvent your character in a fun and satisfying way) beyond "I had to hand over 14 essence and nobody seemed to care." Allow it to open your eyes to the flaws of the commune or somesuch. A solid RP base will make deciding wherever your character decides to go from here that much more interesting and give you hooks for interacting with your potentially-new org! Or reevaluate your dissent with your old one!

Heh, I've been in nearly every IRE game so far. Achaea the longest. And really, we treat novices relatively the same... or worse depending on the org. But the one thing that I've seen that makes any situation worse for both novices and experienced players is... cryingbaby.gif. >_> Drama can turn any game into a hostile environment. Particularly on the forums too.