Edenwe:


Wouldn't that be disastrous with 4 cities against 2 Communes? Unless... we're gonna leave out Hallifax and Gaudi to duke it out themselves.

Gogo Ackleberry/Jojobo Axis of OrgPower!

Edenwe:


Wouldn't that be disastrous with 4 cities against 2 Communes? Unless... we're gonna leave out Hallifax and Gaudi to duke it out themselves.

See, the advantage of the Communes is that they may not need to hit all of the Cosmic/Elemental Planes if all they really want is just one of them. Ethereal has the 'Maeve Defense', wherein to lash out at one has the potential to harm both. Gotta love Maeve sometimes.

Talan:

This is the only thing I disagree with. Frankly, if 75% of all players were actually so passionate about things, Lusternia would be... different. All you need is the vocal minority, or the guiding hand, in any org, to step up and make the call. Even if there are some ruffled feathers, the vast majority of people will simply accept a well-explained change delivered in an authoritative tone. There are always dissenters, but usually the people who really care will still be pulling for their org overall, and go with the flow as required.

Not in Gaudiguch! In Gaudiguch, Dissenters get removed in a hissy fit. Ironic, given the outward character of the city, but entirely keeping with the underlying RP.

The day will never come where org A and org B will be left alone to duke it out considering most likely person from org C will find people they dislike in org A and subsequently help (or ignore) org B, leading to the alliances we find ourselves in again.


-scuttle away-

ForgotOldForumName:
From what I've gathered, Glomdoring is supposed to be a "tainted forest." Celest hates the taint. Magnagora is all about taint, while Serenwilde is the only forest to survive the taint wars, and disgusted with civilization because they blame them for the taint.

I know you spend a lot of time on your Glom toon, so please ask any of us IC about this crazy notion of "tainted forest".

My only regret during all the alliance shifts is the effort investment into Hallifax :(

I love how people get worked up over debating if Glom's tainted or not on the forums. Who cares! Debate it IG, if there was any interaction between orgs besides smooshing at least.

None of the alliances are based on ideology, and its silly to say what an org should think or should do. And its even sillier to say if you don't have a char in said org. In otherwords, Shuyin won the thread on the first post.

Naia:

I know you spend a lot of time on your Glom toon, so please ask any of us IC about this crazy notion of "tainted forest".

Heck, I've had the Ic argument with another Serenwilder (though my premise was that Wyrd is in fact worse then Taint).

Come argue with me, I love talking Wyrd.

I want to see how XI/Hai'Gloh is gonna work now that there are four elemental planes, meaning all four crystals on Xion are up and working.

AFICT, there are only the two original crystals on Xion. So you could make a pretty reasonable argument for XI only needing Celest/Magnagora while Gaudiguch/Hallifax get their own new teamup quest thing that is completely independant.

Flesh Juggernaut powered by Harmony Crystals. Stargate-Atlantis style.

Nope. The two other crystals on Xion are now up and running as well. They were off while Fire and Air were thrown out of Time, but now they're functioning again, if very passive to the quarrel between Earth and Water.

Huh. Even so, I'm not sure about Xion needing Gaudi/Halli. Starting it requires the discs from Sarye and Terae to activate the other Earth/Water Lords, and the 5th Air/Fire lords don't have discs for that part.

Kialkarkea:

Not in Gaudiguch! In Gaudiguch, Dissenters get removed in a hissy fit. Ironic, given the outward character of the city, but entirely keeping with the underlying RP.

Not that you've ever contacted me in game to discuss it, but I didn't remove Iytha in a hissy fit. I always quite liked Iytha although didn't interact with her too much, should come speak to me about it ICly and I'll go through it fully. Going back to the point you commented on: I made the call, I only had one person tell me they had anything against it and it's pretty much business as usual in Gaud at the moment, if anything our population has risen dramatically (although obviously not related to Iytha being removed). Templars are also consistently on Topguilds so I'd say Talan's description of how it works is pretty much bang on. Vast majority didn't care, those that care for the org are still pulling for it.

On the alliance front, I'm very comfortable with how things are at the moment - enjoying working with Celest and Glomdoring although Gaud is generally the smaller partner in terms of PK activities at the moment which seems to work for everyone else. We rarely get raided ourselves so if things get shaken up then I'd be a bit unhappy but would probably adjust.

In terms of Mag and Seren, from the very beginning they've had a bit of neutrality pact with Serenwilde interupted by periods of sporadic violence. To maintain neutrality with Serenwilde in the early days the entire council voted to cure the tainted fae so we could keep Celest under our heel so effectively. Those days are long gone but the history is still visible in the event posts. Hell when I was CL of Mag I used to get drunk at the Moonhart with Nikua.

In fact, I think I left the poem that makes Nifilheima cry to cure the fae in the Mag chest, should still be in there unless someone has removed it.

Greleag:

Huh. Even so, I'm not sure about Xion needing Gaudi/Halli. Starting it requires the discs from Sarye and Terae to activate the other Earth/Water Lords, and the 5th Air/Fire lords don't have discs for that part.

That might be. I'll still be a bit disappointed if it ends up being no change whatsoever... but eh. I'm still waiting for the Air and Fire crystals to fight so we can start getting cloud and fire essence of them and have entrances to air in the cloud gardens and fire on mount Zoaka.

Air and Fire have no reason to fight. The only reason Earth and Water fight is because Earth is tainted and went crazy - everyone else is functioning as they had since Xyl designed them. Likely Air/Fire don't really understand what's going on between Earth and Water, as they missed the hundreds of years of fighting, so they will even tell you - they're waiting for them to sort it out and resume functionality.

Also, I don't really get where you think there's some sense of 'cooperation' between Celest/Glom patrons. Sure, Isune helped make the wyrd, right after she ripped her own arm off and beat people with it while screaming about cakes and pies, and just before she curled up in a ball sobbing and crying about how the Wyrd is tainted and imperfect.

I can think of a dozen instances of cooperation between other Celest Patrons and other orgs, though. Sillies.

(And everyone knows Glomdoring is tainted. "Wyrd" is just the fae word for "taint". *flee*)

Yeah, you're definitely right about the patrons not getting along thing (and you would know, heh). People were a little offput by Nocht's reaction to Kelly winning chaos, but it does make more sense in that context. Sometimes I suppose we forget that noninterference is not the same as acceptance. You are totally, totally wrong about the tainted forest thing though. And why would the fae even have a word for taint?

Talan:
And why would the fae even have a word for taint?

If they had a word specifically for "The Taint" prior to the Taint Wars, yeah that wouldn't make sense, but having a word for just the concept of "taint" seems perfectly normal.

EDIT: Actually, thinking about it, maybe they could have had a word implying "soulless corruption" that originated after those "tainted" fae that Mantekeen(sp?) made.

The fae were briefly tainted back in the day, before Glomdoring was a player org, that was a very fun event. I still remember the race to get hold of all the lines of the poem and then sitting on them for a while when we debated what to do. In hindsight I really wish we'd gone through with the tainting of the fae, Lust would have had a very different evolution to the one it's taken I think. But then again, I'm really enjoying myself in Lust at the moment.

The Glomdoring was also listed as tainted forest for a very long time before the decision was taken to transform it into Wyrd to move away from a Glom/Mag and Seren/Celest axis. The vast majority of early converts to Glom were former Mag's and this led to a situation where Glom was a bit of a mini-Mag for a time. The Wyrding of Glom was a mechanical intervention to try and move away from that alliance and a very successful one at that, even if it did take a mostly new generation of Glom players to really bring out the RP aspects of the Wyrd and to move away from the bosom buddies RP with Mag (Xenthos is an exception here, he was there from the beginning and ran with it!).