Yep, bought one of the little ones with RL money. Didn't get any credits or lessons, but I did get yummy gold which I needed since I don't have time or energy to bash it up right now. Plus favours and experience, couldn't really use the favours in time and yes I did feel a little disappointment, but then I remember I have silly luck for lotteries anyways! :D

That's really all I'd ask for, make the temporary buffs delay-able in some fashion. Clovers of critical hits and... brown-nose-paint of estarra truefavors. That way it's not like you've been gypped, getting a temporary buff (that you may not even really be in a place to use) for a hefty time investment or cash. As they are now, truefavors and critical hits seem like a total wash result to me. At least the (very minor) amounts of gold can help you go buy another one, or purchase credits on the credit market.

I have purchased crates both within the first couple days and after the changes were implemented. I have been happy with all of my crates. I didn't get a super huge pile of credits with every spin but I landed a lot of cool items and I now have racked up over two weeks of truefavour as well as somwhere around 400 hours of crit boost. That is pretty awesome on its own.

I would just be happy that we even get anything at all. I still have yet to see anybody spin and not make their money back in the rewards. it is exactly as stated previously, a gamble. For those who are higher level and have less need of favours and crit chance, it is not as good of a reward. For those who are lower on the totem pole, crit chance and favours boost the speed at which you can gain circles. All in all it is balanced for the greater populace. I am sure everybody can complain about something...

To prove this, my complaint: I keep getting lessons...I am omnitranscendant, have a cord and have transcended every possible skill I have access to. Every time i get lessons, I think of it as a lost, but not wasted spin. Still doesn't make me bitter though, it is a gamble.

Goodness, even the tradeskills?

Well, that's what you get for being Omni-Trans... :P

Razenth:

Goodness, even the tradeskills?

Lol, yeah, even the trades.

Oh, I take that back...i still need to finish tranzing Tailoring....but I have 6k lessons, i think i can do that.

All the warrior specs, night/crow/tracking and highmagic too? Dayum.

Well, there's a simple solution to that... Guild-hop!

Talan:

All the warrior specs, night/crow/tracking and highmagic too? Dayum.

Yep

Ssaliss:

Well, there's a simple solution to that... Guild-hop!

I R Ebonguard for Life! Unless i decide to move sometime, then I am not for life anymore... >.> <.<

Xenthos:

What it was before was absolutely bonkers.

It's most definitely not a pittance now! I did not count the two vial runes, which make the spins much more than a 2x value.

Be happy with getting really good rewards for the investment. Sheesh.

I didn't spin that before, it was Glevich. I'm looking from the side here, seeing how it was, and how it is now, and being told that it's not as worth it as it was before, and how it's still worth it. That's all.

I bought a crate with gold, spun about 31 times. I don't feel it was all that worth it, but it's hard to put a price on XP. Everyone's individual mileage will vary, obviously.

Still going back and forth whether I want to buy a crate or not... :wacko:

After converting the value of lessons into credits, you JUST ABOUT break even what you would spend on actual credits from the Wheel. And this is if you rubbed most of the curios you got to get coins (which seems to be about 50% chance of a small amount of gold or a coin for commons, two guaranteed coins for rare pieces.)

Just to let you know we've tweaked the wheel spins slightly, including getting full day favours and critical hit bonuses!

This is the quote from the announcement, which is more than a little misleading. The drop of prize payout from the Wheel resulted in around 50-66%+. This is quite a bit more than a slight tweak, and the wording in the announcement seems more that the prizes would vary now to include critical strike and favours, not actually degrade the quality of a coin spin.

I would say that the coin Wheel spins in regards to curios and coins payout is on par now with non-coin spins, and free/bound credits and dingbats payouts are getting mighty close to being on level with the non-coin spins.

For Demigods and the omnitrans folk, the Wheel is definitely not worth the investment, with 1/3 of the spins being put into experience gain and lessons.

I have documented what I obtained with my three crates, if any are curious, tallying spins and total amount of payout received.

http://dl.dropbox.co...eel%20Spins.txt

^^^^^^^^^^ This is why we can't have nice things.

Talan:

^^^^^^^^^^ This is why we can't have nice things.

QFT

It is a factual assessment. Not happy with that? Fine. Don't be snide about it. Some people expressed interest in knowing just HOW badly the Wheel was affected by the latest nerf, and that's how it is.

It is a factual assessment. Not happy with that? Fine. Don't be snide about it. Some people expressed interest in knowing just HOW badly the Wheel was affected by the latest nerf, and that's how it is.

It's not a factual assessment at all; crates are, currently, giving around 2x the reward of a similar dollar outlay on credits from the website. It is, however, a gamble. Your luck will vary.

In-game gold valuation of credits doesn't matter at all; further, if you're putting the gold in you're also getting a shot at curios and nice artifacts, which would more than make up the gold difference if you're lucky.

There's no need to whine about it, if you don't like it, don't buy! Let everyone else who is having fun enjoy it instead of trying to drag everyone down.

Okay, first of all, don't go throwing around words like "factual assessment" when your post is clearly tainted with your personal bias. I've only been a Hallifaxer for a day and even I can see that's crappy science. The tone of your post isn't objective. You're sneering and scoffing, which is what I responded to.

For the record you omit a key point in your appraisal, the fact that curios can have a far greater value being resold to individuals, rather than destroyed. That value only increases over time until the market is flooded again.

My snide point is and has been that you can't really put a valuation on the fun, luck, and overall experience of a crate - which is what you're buying. Just like you don't go to Vegas for the purpose of winning big (unless you are Krellan). This waa waa waa not good enough complaining that is by no means limited to you annoys me greatly. I see something that I think is really spiffy, and then I have to wonder what the admin think when they see posts like yours. If I were Estarra I'd be thinking, 'Well hell, if they don't like it, we won't do it anymore.' So you can go ahead and excuse me if I make sure that the other opinion is heard just as loudly. Waa waa, stop dissing on the Wheel.

Alright. I myself bought a few crates and tried it out. From coins, I ended up with 20 credits, 15 db, and 20 bound credits. ~165 hours of crit, 48 hours of true favor, 50% into circle 96, one vial artifact, one sketch seal, one dagger and 70k gold.

But around 122 curios were taken total (don't nerf it more please). Those 122 curios are now 33 curios with one teddy bear created, and with 450 dingbats from what was traded.

So I still think that the wheel spins aren't that worth it, but trading the curios instead are. That is what made the initial investment much more worth it, actually.