Enyalida:

No, I think he means that creating it as a Stag with the dragon pattern still allows it to be released with RELEASE DRAGON, though that makes little sense. Because I know that to be true.

...also, yes, you can RELEASE KIRIGAMI or you can RELEASE , they both work.

Naia:

What Eritheyl said. The noun has to be origami. Stag origami. Opossum origami. Whatever. Don't pick "dragon" and then not use dragon. Choose "origami" as item and then pick "kirigami" as type.

Item: Origami Type: Wetfoldorigami Org:
Appearance: An exquisitely-handcrafted shimmering swan origami

Disregard everything I said....somehow I did not understand this the first two reads....now I get it.

The only thing I don't get is how to set the "release message".

You don't set the release message. It seems to be quite standard, with just the appearance in it. Here's wetfold.

get wetfold from pack
You take a folded origami snake from a blue and silver safari backpack.

release wetfold
You release a folded origami snake and it flutters into the air and around you, its wet fold origami charm dissolving into the air around you as the vellum disappears in tiny motes of dust.

Wetfold/kirigami/action/modular is set by 'type', which is done separately from the pattern itself. You can make a dragon wetfold, and then make a dragon kirigami.

I suppose I do understand the problem if you say, had an actual star wetfold, and tried to make a kirigami design starting on the star pattern, but as something else. If you had star wetfold, but had this kirigami first, you could be startled that you released the wrong one. A plain, vanilla origami design would make so much more sense, since it's very obvious they're not restricting us to these shapes. I have access to acorns and sylphs that have been approved.

From some of the comments in the rejection, however, it still doesn't make sense how they're allowing it as 'package'. If my dragon pattern can't pretend to be an opossum, it makes no sense to me how something that stores NOTHING can pretend to be a package.

I really, really wish I had known all this before I bought this cartel.

Zilias:

The only thing I don't get is how to set the "release message".

You don't. It's just the shortdesc.

But yep! Need just an 'origami' pattern with only the noun 'origami'.

Presumably, the reason for limited designs is the limited nature of what one can do with origami. I imagine that left to their own devices, some tasteless players would create ridiculously intricate, impossible scenes.

Isn't that the point of the review system in the first place?

Riluna:

Isn't that the point of the review system in the first place?

I suppose so, but absurd things slip through the cracks of the review system fairly regularly; there are a lot of designs to approve. Further, I'm not sure how a Charity could justify throwing out a design due to being too complex. It sounds like a nightmare to administrate how complex "too complex" is.

There's certainly room for a few new templates for new shapes without opening the door to all possible shapes.

However, traditionally, new templates virtually never come because of players asking for them. After five years there's still only one template in Artisan Wallfeatures, for instance. Hope that someday a god comes along who incorporates stag origami into their personal symbolism; that's your best hope for getting them.

Or pushing it through as the eyesore of a package of a stag that you can't pack things into. Which seems to me to defeat the entire purpose, if the intent is to not allow anything but the same six creatures and pretend they're new designs.

We seem to have far fewer patterns and overall less comprehensive crafting than the other IRE games which is bizarre, because we have more crafters! You'd think that it'd play a bigger part as it's one of the big different things setting Lusternia apart from the other IREs.

Some trades, notably Tailoring, have a crazy large number of patterns with some really obscure things supported, while others have like one of each thing and maybe a second in a few. I really can't figure out why.

Even tailoring! Do we have a socks pattern? Kilts?

Enyalida:

Even tailoring! Do we have a socks pattern? Kilts?

Yes, socks are in Underwear. Kilts are in Pants.

I'm not saying tailoring has everything (though as Phoebus pointed out, it's got the ones you listed), but it just has a huge variety compared to most of the tradeskills. It has so many things that are rarely used (petticoat, turban, stole, tabard for instance). I think it's great that it's got so many options, I just wish that level of attention were shared with a few other tradeskills.

They don't have 'beret,' without it being 'a beret hat.' :(

eritheyl:

Origami is once again allowed as an operative noun. It should have been this way in the first place, I'm not sure why it was overcomplicated with a set of special-snowflake nouns.

You could make crow origami. But instead of 'an origami crow', it would have to be 'a crow origami'. Silly, but the system is what it is.

This is not true, as of the moment (I just checked with the design managers).

That's so odd. We have generic, catch-all nouns for other bookbinding things like 'book'. There is no 'big shiny book' or 'turtle-shaped book' design nouns you have to design from.

Is the system inherently different for Origami such that there can't just be a pattern called 'A bland origami', with the noun 'Origami' that you can use? If you want a special RELEASE , you'll have to design off the appropriate pattern, but if you want to make one of the totally unlimited other possibilities, you don't have to stick to the 7 pre-existing arbitrary designs.

I'm curious now, to know how many people even target them as "Flame" or whatever, instead of using "kirigami".

I release my wetfoldorigamis as stars because 'star' is easier to type.

That said, I'd just make an alias to release them if I couldn't do it as stars, so wouldn't be a major loss.

"WETFOLD" works also.