As long as I get paid, it'll be okay.

Zarquan:

As long as I get paid, it'll be okay.

Weren't you getting paid for support? Or did you stop doing that with Treant?

Only a few people ever paid, compared to how many downloaded and used the code.

Zarquan:

Only a few people ever paid, compared to how many downloaded and used the code.

You could've made it the base curing system, with modules on top of it (buy the full package to be able to do all the neat additional stuff on top of the curing, which leverages the code already in place). That might've helped encourage more purchases, too. Also would have helped support new development.

Hmm. It is kind of a tough one, but I am definitely on the side of 'the more people with access, the better'.

Well, I think the main "DRM" in vadi's system is that you order it for a specific guild + low magic/high magic. If your friend you want to share the system with is in the same guild as you with the same magic choice, then you can successfully pirate it. But other than that it isn't going to work optimally for you.

Anyway, systems take an enormous amount of time to build and maintain. Nothing wrong with wanting compensation for that time.

And honestly, if you've spent more than $22 on Lusternia and didn't buy m&m, you're doing it wrong. Value per dollar it's the best investment you can make in the game, even over skills and definitely artifacts.

I'm definitely not against people charging for their code/time. I'm just not keen on being criticized for choosing to use my own code/time how I see fit. Other people in other orgs do the same thing, and you don't hear anyone complaining about them not sharing with everyone.

And, as I said many posts ago, AutoAid will be a good thing to help with entry into combat. I just don't see it being used for top-tier, or even mid-tier, combat on a regular basis.

Zarquan:

I'm definitely not against people charging for their code/time. I'm just not keen on being criticized for choosing to use my own code/time how I see fit. Other people in other orgs do the same thing, and you don't hear anyone complaining about them not sharing with everyone.

And, as I said many posts ago, AutoAid will be a good thing to help with entry into combat. I just don't see it being used for top-tier, or even mid-tier, combat on a regular basis.

I've definitely heard that about, say, Ceren. He just doesn't talk about it on the forums as much so it doesn't come up as much here.

You're not being 'singled out,' per se, you just tend to be the one to get defensive about such criticism.

Edit:
Even in this thread you weren't being talked about until this post:

Zarquan:

Mine is free, but it's only for dedicated Serens.

(Which kicked off the discussion-- without this post, it probably wouldn't have even gotten where it did!)

I always had wanted to put out a publicly available one, but then everybody stopped using zMUD(though I actually do get maybe 2 people a year asking me for my system on that), and I've never been able to find the enthusiasm and motivation to make a completely new one from the ground up in Mudlet or MUSH. Maybe I'll try working on that again during the summer.

Fair enough. No more off-the-cuff remarks from me then.

Let's all go make our own code and just do whatever we want with it, and we'll leave it at that.

Zarquan:

Maybe if I knew the secret to successfully encrypting my code, I'd consider giving it away for 50 credits a copy.

LuaSrcDiet and multi-level code obfuscation ;)

Xenthos:

Luckily it's possible to get those credits with some work and no RL investment (aside from time).

I'd personally prefer it to be free so that everyone who wants it can get it, but it's definitely better this way than, say, Glomdoring and friends only.

Celest has a system to help people get a system.

Why don't we just start a community project where we all contribute bits and pieces toward making a freely available combat system? Expecting one person to do all of that work without pay is sort of ridiculous anyway.

I know I'd definitely contribute to something like that.

I know you're in the Facebook group where that very thing is already being discussed. *poke Rivius*

He's also been frequenting the IRC channel, so ignore him. He's just being a cute little troll. :P

How is that trolling? I took it more as bringing it to the forums, instead of just the group.

Yeah not all of us participate in the Facebook group, can't hurt to mention it here so some other people can find out about it. Like me, I didn't know about it and that's something I'd love to help out with. <_<

You'll have to destroy your copy of zMUD first. :)

Zarquan:

You'll have to destroy your copy of zMUD first. :)

It's possible to have more than one system / client...

Sure, make a system for a client that hasn't been sold or supported in years, now used by maybe half a dozen people. Doing the support will be relatively easy, but I doubt you'll get more people joining the combat ranks this way. (As someone who's written a few systems for zMUD, I can tell you that sharing something of that size and complexity with others is a real pain.)

Note: please take this for the sincere, though tongue-in-cheek, comment that it is and not just a bitter remark. You're free to use whatever client you like best. A combat system designed for sharing would be best served on clients that are used by more people, is all I'm trying to say.

I think what he means is, if the community codes up something nice and makes it open source, people like him would have no trouble adapting it to his client.